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re: Don't forget PJ (and Davis Tull)
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:18 am to blueslover
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:18 am to blueslover
Tull wouldn't be competing for ellerbe's spot in the 4-3. He'd be a DE not LB
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:23 am to UptownnMike
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Tull wouldn't be competing for ellerbe's spot in the 4-3. He'd be a DE not LB
Yep. Unfortunately, Tull is a 3-4 OLB. Hopefully it works out.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 6:58 am to GMoney2600
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Yep. Unfortunately, Tull is a 3-4 OLB. Hopefully it works out.
I think they'll play him all over like Kikaha was used the second half of last season, except Tull is far more athletic and suited for it.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:35 am to drake20
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3 CBs are gonna play majority of the snaps. Significant snaps for a 4th, but nothing too heavy.
With all the health concerns we had a CB last year, I doubt only 3 guys will play a lot. In an ideal world, I'd like to see that be true, but I doubt it. I would hate to need to depend on Wilson as our 3rd, I hope to god PJ and swann both beat him out. Swann was good slot guy when healthy, I'm optimistic about PJ's potential
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:50 pm to LisbethSalander
I wasn't expecting much and was pleasantly surprised by Wilson last year. That was a run of CBs who didn't needed to be drafted so high in 2010...
Wilson #29
PRob #32
Chris Cook #34
How did Wilson show up on PFF stats last year, anyone?
Wilson #29
PRob #32
Chris Cook #34
How did Wilson show up on PFF stats last year, anyone?
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:00 pm to PurpleDrank18
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The fact that he's played exactly zero NFL snaps and we have no idea what to expect from him, good or bad? He is not somebody that can be penciled in and counted on yet.
So, with that logic should we trade all of our picks away for veteran players since none of the rookies coming in have played an NFL snap?
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:15 pm to blueslover
Not bad. Ranked 47th among CBs on PFF. Pretty good coverage grade for a CB4
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:17 pm to Weekend Warrior79
No that's not what I said at all, nice straw man. It's perfectly fine to be optimistic about him, I am hopeful myself. Just the OP and article made it sound like he's a guy we can count on, and a reason why CB isn't an issue, when that isn't true. He's proved nothing to this point, and like I said is not somebody that can be penciled in and counted on...YET.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 8:48 am to PurpleDrank18
worth reviewing PJ's draft profile at nfl.com-
In 2014, selected second-team All-ACC with 11 passes defensed, but also allowed five touchdown passes. Selected honorable mention All-ACC in 2013 and was the Defensive MVP of the BCS National Championship Game against Auburn. Key contributor during 27-1 run for Seminoles over last two seasons. Played in all 14 games as a freshman in 2012. Was Vanguard High School's (Ocala, Fla.) first ever Under Armour All-American. Recently starred in viral video where he cleared a box jump that was estimated to be nearly 60 inches high. Arrested for DUI on April 3 in Tallahassee, Fla. Pleaded not guilty to charge and case was dismissed April 27.
PRO DAY RESULTS
40-yard dash: 4.45 seconds
Vertical jump: 41 inches
Broad jump: 11 feet, 3 inches
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Possesses desired height, weight and speed. Able to face up and handle business from press coverage all game long. Bump-and-run specialist. Length and strength to put a receiver into detour mode off the jam. Waits to open hips up until receiver has committed to his release. Able to turn, run and close. Has feel to stay wired on inside or outside releases. Able to get on top of vertical routes and smother. Can carry speed down the field. Outstanding timing and ball skills to knock throw away. Instinctive and aware, extending outside of his area to make plays. Sure tackler in open field with second gear to explode into ball carriers.
WEAKNESSES Physical down the field and could take time to acclimate to NFL illegal-contact rules. Stays on high-side down the field, opening himself to easy comebacks. Appears to lose some interest when asked to cover in zone. Won't be able to consistently jam savvy NFL receivers off the line. Motor runs hot and cold. Shows up ready when stakes are high, but puts it in cruise control and play looks less motivated against lesser opponents. Inconsistent to step downhill and attack the run.
DRAFT PROJECTION Round 2
SOURCES TELL US "I think his best position will end up being safety. He's strong enough as a tackler to make the move and his cover skills are what most teams are looking for from safeties now. He would be the second safety off the board if you project him there." - NFC general manager "Can't run. The more I watch him, the more limited I realize he's going to be." - NFC defensive backs coach
NFL COMPARISON Stephon Gilmore
BOTTOM LINE Cover cornerback with the talent to play on an island, and the swagger to regroup and forget when beaten. Williams can cover outside or from the slot, and has potential to come in and start right away for an aggressive man-cover defense. Williams had some issues recovering when beaten deep and may end up making a move to safety on the next level. He has the talent to be a capable NFL starter at either position.
In 2014, selected second-team All-ACC with 11 passes defensed, but also allowed five touchdown passes. Selected honorable mention All-ACC in 2013 and was the Defensive MVP of the BCS National Championship Game against Auburn. Key contributor during 27-1 run for Seminoles over last two seasons. Played in all 14 games as a freshman in 2012. Was Vanguard High School's (Ocala, Fla.) first ever Under Armour All-American. Recently starred in viral video where he cleared a box jump that was estimated to be nearly 60 inches high. Arrested for DUI on April 3 in Tallahassee, Fla. Pleaded not guilty to charge and case was dismissed April 27.
PRO DAY RESULTS
40-yard dash: 4.45 seconds
Vertical jump: 41 inches
Broad jump: 11 feet, 3 inches
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Possesses desired height, weight and speed. Able to face up and handle business from press coverage all game long. Bump-and-run specialist. Length and strength to put a receiver into detour mode off the jam. Waits to open hips up until receiver has committed to his release. Able to turn, run and close. Has feel to stay wired on inside or outside releases. Able to get on top of vertical routes and smother. Can carry speed down the field. Outstanding timing and ball skills to knock throw away. Instinctive and aware, extending outside of his area to make plays. Sure tackler in open field with second gear to explode into ball carriers.
WEAKNESSES Physical down the field and could take time to acclimate to NFL illegal-contact rules. Stays on high-side down the field, opening himself to easy comebacks. Appears to lose some interest when asked to cover in zone. Won't be able to consistently jam savvy NFL receivers off the line. Motor runs hot and cold. Shows up ready when stakes are high, but puts it in cruise control and play looks less motivated against lesser opponents. Inconsistent to step downhill and attack the run.
DRAFT PROJECTION Round 2
SOURCES TELL US "I think his best position will end up being safety. He's strong enough as a tackler to make the move and his cover skills are what most teams are looking for from safeties now. He would be the second safety off the board if you project him there." - NFC general manager "Can't run. The more I watch him, the more limited I realize he's going to be." - NFC defensive backs coach
NFL COMPARISON Stephon Gilmore
BOTTOM LINE Cover cornerback with the talent to play on an island, and the swagger to regroup and forget when beaten. Williams can cover outside or from the slot, and has potential to come in and start right away for an aggressive man-cover defense. Williams had some issues recovering when beaten deep and may end up making a move to safety on the next level. He has the talent to be a capable NFL starter at either position.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 11:17 am to blueslover
PJ to wear #25 this season. Now it is officially official. No man named R.Bush will wear #25 for the Saints this season
Posted on 4/21/16 at 11:35 am to blueslover
Excited to see what these guys can do, but I'm sure we'll lose someone to injury in another important and thin defensive position group anyway so I still think we need to draft Defense early and often.
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