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re: Derek Carr's contract has been restructured

Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:57 am to
Posted by BBJ
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Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:57 am to
Cap hit 2025 now $51M and in 2026 $61M. Voidable year 2027 $17M.

2025 Number is at $312M already with 44 players
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 10:59 am
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:06 am to
No big deal
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158754 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:09 am to
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2025 Number is at $312M already with 44 players


Saints Talk: We'll just restructure and it'll be fine

but seriously...this shite is irresponsible but there's no one to stop it because the owner doesn't have a fricking clue
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59090 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:11 am to
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but seriously...this shite is irresponsible but there's no one to stop it because the owner doesn't have a fricking clue


Ott and Hanny saying this right now
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:15 am to
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but seriously...this shite is irresponsible but there's no one to stop it because the owner doesn't have a fricking clue

That 2025 number is also without accounting for the proration of Lattimore and/or Ram's huge dead cap.

From my thread on 2025:

Players Without Contracts and Unlikely to be Retained:

These are players without contracts who are unlikely to be retained in 2024 or cut post June 1

Michael Thomas: $9,187,177
Jameis Winston: $7,301,000
Andrus Peat: $6,292,000
Tyrann Mathieu: $7,301,000
Marcus Maye: $6,042,000
Tanoh Kpassagnon: $1,886,000

TOTAL: $ 38,009,177.00

That's $38M in dead cap hits from players who aren't under contract. $38M in can kicking, so to speak. The only way we can avoid that is to extend those guys. Who do you want to give an extension to on that list?
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
71514 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:17 am to
I just don’t get up in arms over it anymore. They have their plan and stick to it, that’s it. Ultimately we need good QB play and good drafts to mitigate any financial crunch, and that’s what every team ever needs to win.

Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
8757 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:29 am to
Huge blunder by Loomis to get Carr when your division rival went cheap at the position, which I have been advocating for years to do, and wins the division.
Huge mistake considering we were in cap hell before the signing.

On top of it, two guys they could hae got for nothing, mayfield and Minshew made the pro bowl over Carr…..
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 11:30 am
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158754 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:30 am to
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They have their plan and stick to it, that’s it


This plan was fine when you had a transcendent qb you were trying to extend the window on

The plan is total shite when its surround derek carr with a thin, mediocre roster. Due to some misses and now injuries, you also have to almost totally rebuild your OL with little to work with.

We are continuing to punt for no fricking reason at all.

quote:

Ultimately we need good QB play


How do we go about getting one?
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64284 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:30 am to
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Will be a lot of melting about this


I think the regulars get it. Don't want it but what can we do.
I'm waiting for the posters who are..."its savings, everyone does it" to show up and explain why 2025 looks great!
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59090 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:31 am to
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They have their plan and stick to it, that’s it


It’s not working anymore. It made sense with Brees (2017-20) and an open SB window. Now they are mediocre and old, do you think old declining players will suddenly get better? The current path is just slowly circling the drain rather than just 1 bad year and reload.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 11:39 am
Posted by St Augustine
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Member since Mar 2006
64147 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:36 am to
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Ultimately we need good QB play


So why not go about looking for good QB play instead of getting tied up in old, average qb play?
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158754 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:37 am to
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they are mediocre and old,


"we've just had bad injury luck"

Yeah so does everyone, the true issue is we have no quality depth because we to pretty much rely on the draft and middling FAs to fill holes that continue to spring up as the roster continues to age.

We've drafted overall pretty well but they pretty much have no margin for error as every miss really fricking hurts....yes you Trevor Penning
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
64147 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:37 am to
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I'm waiting for the posters who are..."its savings, everyone does it" to show up and explain why 2025 looks great!


And call us pussies
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
421945 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:39 am to
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I'm waiting for the posters who are..."its savings, everyone does it" to show up and explain why 2025 looks great!


Here I'll post for them:

YOU ARE PREDICTING THE FUTURE AND DON'T KNOW WHAT THE 2025 CAP NUMBER WILL BE SET AT
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
71514 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:50 am to
Well you can’t pull the plug on that immediately. We did make some sound decisions last offseason letting guys like Onyematta and Davenport walk and going with younger or cheaper guys.

I’m not advocating for anything, just saying they build these restructure decisions into the mix when they even approach a new player. It’s what they do, I’m not going to freak out about it anymore.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
71514 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:50 am to
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So why not go about looking for good QB play instead of getting tied up in old, average qb play?


I’m all for drafting a QB with a high pick over the next 2 drafts
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
421945 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:51 am to
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just saying they build these restructure decisions into the mix when they even approach a new player

I honestly do not think they did. I believe they saw Carr as a 3/100 contract and other player issues cause them to have to go there.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
71514 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:53 am to
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I honestly do not think they did. I believe they saw Carr as a 3/100 contract and other player issues cause them to have to go there.


Who knows. But yes, Penning not being able to play, Ram falling apart and Lattimore being a pussy doesn’t help.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158754 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:05 pm to
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We did make some sound decisions last offseason letting guys like Onyematta and Davenport walk


sir I buckled my seatbelt before driving completely fricked up and crashing into that house
Posted by TheLegend
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
2733 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:31 pm to
There's no accountability in this organization. It goes as Loomis goes
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