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Derek Carr leads the NFL in this surprising stat

Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:00 pm
Posted by hellsu
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:00 pm
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The Raiders haven’t won many games over the last decade, but don’t blame Derek Carr — he might be an exception to the rule that wins and losses aren’t necessarily quarterback stats.

Carr’s clutch decision-making in late-game situations has been one of his greatest attributes. Since the 2016 season, no passer in the NFL has led more game-winning drives, per NFL Stats and Research. Carr led the NFL with four game-winning drives back in 2014, his second year in the league, and he followed it up with seven deciding drives a year later. He’s had three or more game-winning drives every season since 2018.

That could be big for a Saints team that struggled to close out wins in 2022. Quarterbacks Jameis Winston and Andy Dalton both had one game-winning drive each. When tied or trailing inside the final two minutes last year, Dalton dropped back to pass 18 times and completed 8 passes (44.4%) for 5 first-down conversions, also running for a first down on one play, but taking a sack on another. He earned a mulligan with his back and foot injuries, but in the same situations Winston completed 4 of his 8 pass attempts but converted a single first down and also took a sack.
Just last year Carr completed 16 of his 39 pass attempts in these situations, scoring 3 touchdown passes against 2 interceptions while taking 2 sacks. He converted 10 first downs as a passer and picked up another first down with his legs. In his career, Carr has completed 173 of his 308 pass attempts (56.2%) to convert 106 first downs and score 25 touchdowns against 10 interceptions, including 13 sacks. He’s also converted 6 first downs as a runner.

Hopefully he can continue to be effective when the Saints him most. If Carr can seal the deal in these must-win situations and be the quarterback New Orleans needs him to be — not just a game manager who can rest on a strong defense, but an asset who can lift up those around him — they just might go the distance and get back to the playoffs.
Posted by tigersint
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:19 pm to
This is the difference between 7-9 and 17-0. Huge IMO
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 10:20 pm
Posted by PureBlood
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 6:32 am to
Carr is not a bad QB. My issue is, will DA be able to use him effectively.

Time will tell.
Posted by Snipe
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 6:47 am to
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Carr is not a bad QB. My issue is, will DA be able to use him effectively.

Time will tell.


Carmichael.

I'm not sure DA mettles in the offence much like CSP did.
Posted by VictoryHill
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 8:04 am to
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hellsuDerek Carr leads the NFL

In most turnovers since 2017.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 10:05 am to
Posted by hellsu
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 12:57 pm to
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Victory Hill /turnovers will happen when you have to put the team on your shoulders because


you've had 6 different coaches, 4 different Off. Coor's.,
3 diff. GM's in your career and a defense that has never ranked above 20th. When you are consistently starting your offense in bad field position they are going to tee off on you. Number of playoff games Drew Brees played with a 20th ranked or worse defense........ 0.
Your offense stays at a disadvantage when you have to consistently start in bad field position.
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:34 pm to
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Number of playoff games Drew Brees played with a 20th ranked or worse defense........ 0.


But that spreadsheet told me Brady was the one who had awesome defenses his whole career
Posted by VictoryHill
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 5:16 pm to
See lots of excuses, none of which is an explanation for a QB to be throwing into double or triple coverage.
Posted by bonethug0180
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:46 pm to
Do you have stats for how many of those throws were into heavy coverage, how many were while being hit, how many were tipped balls, how many were straight to a defender underneath, end of half/game throws, etc.?

You try to make it sound like every pick this dude threw was obviously a horrible throw. Give us some stats on that since you seem to be the stat guy when it comes to his turnovers.
Posted by msstate7
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 8:47 pm to
Int% among qualifiers...
2017 - 14th
2018 - 12th
2019 - 8th
2020 - 11th
2021 - 5th
2022 - 14th

So he hasn't been horrible in int%.
Posted by hellsu
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 9:42 pm to
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See lots of excuses, none of which is an explanation for a QB to be throwing into double or triple coverage.


What you are calling excuses are facts.
Fact: Raiders defense was 26th in points allowed
Fact: Raiders def. was 28th in yards allowed
Fact: Raiders def. was 28th in recovered fumbles
Fact: Raiders def. was dead last in interceptions
Fact: Raiders def. was dead last in total turnovers
Fact: Raiders def. absolutely stunk and did virtually nothing in recovered turnovers or favorable field position or for that matter in any category to assist Carr and the offense.
Fact: In fact what you offer are weak excuses to support your ongoing weak narrative.
Posted by VictoryHill
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 9:52 pm to
What do the Raiders defenses have to do with Derek Carr leading the league in turnovers over a 6 year span?
Posted by hellsu
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 10:50 pm to
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What do the Raiders defenses have to do with Derek Carr leading the league in turnovers over a 6 year span?


Ok. Show your sources or a link.
Posted by VictoryHill
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 11:05 pm to
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Show your sources or a link.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-qb-turnovers-since-2017

I ask again:

quote:

What do the Raiders defenses have to do with Derek Carr leading the league in turnovers over a 6 year span?


Posted by hellsu
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 11:57 pm to
Yes his turnovers are high. And that's not great but so are his games started, pass atts. offensive plays. I might also point out that his completion percentage for that stretch of years is higher than every other QB on the list. The issue with having a terrible defense is you consistently put your offense in poor field position which is a distinct advantage for the defense. You are forced to take risks that you normally wouldn't take to get out of the shadow of your goal posts. Slow developing plays are risky. It's common sense that a poor defense will drag your offense down.
2014-2015-2016 the Saints had Brees behind center with 3 years of horrible defenses that allowed from 6000 to 6600 yds of offense and we went 7-9 all three years.
Posted by VictoryHill
Watson, LA
Member since Nov 2013
3261 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 6:12 am to
You keep bringing up bad defenses and win/loss records and are trying to make me say something I am not saying.
Posted by msstate7
Member since Oct 2014
12619 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 6:44 am to
Looks like you should be critiquing his fumbles rather than ints. His int% in your time frame is 8th according to your site. Wonder if the fumbles are all on him or a porous oline. Anyone got pressure rates for carr compared to the rest of the nfl?
Posted by VictoryHill
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Member since Nov 2013
3261 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 7:26 am to
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Looks like you should be critiquing his fumbles rather than ints.

As stated, I am critiquing his turnovers. It doesn’t matter if it’s throws like this or thisor fumbles.

A 9 year starter in the league should not be making throws like that. Pretty simple.
Posted by msstate7
Member since Oct 2014
12619 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 7:44 am to
The first one was horrible. The 2nd was the correct read... just a bad throw in bad conditions
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