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Can Shough be the heir apparent to Derek Carr? Mel Kiper’s 2025 Saints draft grade

Posted on 12/22/25 at 8:29 pm
Posted by Flavius Belisarius
Member since Feb 2016
940 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 8:29 pm
B-. ‘Reach, reach, reach’. Remember this when we inevitably melt in 2026.

Mel Kiper knows nothing

Top needs entering the draft: Quarterback, cornerback, wide receiver, guard and edge rusher

Reach, reach, reach. That's what I have in my notes for the Saints. Too many reaches. I was critical of their first round. I was similarly critical of their second and third rounds. Some of that centered on their QB approach -- I had a much higher grade on Shedeur Sanders than I did Tyler Shough, whom they took at No. 40. But I just didn't love their value throughout.

On Shough, are we sure he will be the heir apparent to Derek Carr? The veteran is dealing with a shoulder injury, and his status for 2025 is up in the air. I understand that Shough is 26 years old, but I'm not sure New Orleans can put him on the field this season and expect to win games. And really, if you're taking a quarterback in the top 40, you've got to believe you can win games with him, either immediately or after he catches up to the speed of the league. I don't have that belief.

I liked the selection of offensive tackle Kelvin Banks Jr. in Round 1, but Vernon Broughton was my 20th-ranked defensive tackle, and New Orleans took him in Round 3. There were better safeties available when it drafted Jonas Sanker in the same round, too. The Saints didn't get an edge rusher until Round 7 and didn't take a wide receiver at all.

So what saves this class from a C? They added a few good players on Day 3, including linebacker Danny Stutsman and cornerback Quincy Riley. Those are solid picks. Not stars, but solid prospects. Overall, I would have gone in a different direction if I were in GM Mickey Loomis' shoes.

Posted by thenza
Member since Sep 2013
1427 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 8:34 pm to
Thank god that dude isn’t our GM.
Posted by infantry1026
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2010
7673 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 8:52 pm to
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Thank god that dude isn’t our GM.


Thank God A LOT of Saints fans weren’t our GM either…….

There was A LOT Of fans (especially in the NOLA area) that wanted Shedeur
Posted by Flavius Belisarius
Member since Feb 2016
940 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:03 pm to
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There were better safeties available when it drafted Jonas Sanker in the same round, too


Nearly every sentence of the write-up is wrong, which is impressive. Can anyone name a better safety taken after Jonas Sanker?
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
13885 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:03 pm to
I still don’t know why Kiper had Sanders as his #2 overall prospect.
This post was edited on 12/22/25 at 9:05 pm
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8005 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:04 pm to
Usually anytime you take a player that Kiper hates it means that player will one day be an all pro. Kiper is an idiot.
Posted by infantry1026
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2010
7673 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:13 pm to
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Nearly every sentence of the write-up is wrong, which is impressive. Can anyone name a better safety taken after Jonas Sanker?


I liked the pick when we made it……..but he has VASTLY outplayed my expectations for him! That was a GREAT job by the scouting staff, and Staley’s staff for developing him
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
79284 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:16 pm to
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Nearly every sentence of the write-up is wrong, which is impressive. Can anyone name a better safety taken after Jonas Sanker?


He's the Jim Cramer of draft analysts.
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
13885 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:16 pm to
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I liked the pick when we made it……..but he has VASTLY outplayed my expectations for him! That was a GREAT job by the scouting staff, and Staley’s staff for developing him


I liked the Sanker pick but was higher on Watts. Was hoping he’d be our pick in the 3rd instead of Broughton. We’d be set at safety the next decade if we had double dipped.
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
12194 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:21 pm to
Like anyone else, he's dead wrong often, but right sometimes too...

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Vernon Broughton was my 20th-ranked defensive tackle, and New Orleans took him in Round
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
22049 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:39 pm to
Brought on was a reach because Bo Davis had a personal relationship with him

Kiper took that and ran with it, the others were good value
Posted by Flavius Belisarius
Member since Feb 2016
940 posts
Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:39 pm to
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Vernon Broughton was my 20th-ranked defensive tackle, and New Orleans took him in Round


Incomplete on this one due to injury but remaining grades are solid A’s.
Posted by Alatgr
Mobeezy, Alabizzle
Member since Sep 2005
18093 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 10:08 am to
More in a long list of examples that Kiper sucks arse at his job. I don’t know why anyone pays any attention to him.
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