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Can Shough be the heir apparent to Derek Carr? Mel Kiper’s 2025 Saints draft grade
Posted on 12/22/25 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 12/22/25 at 8:29 pm
B-. ‘Reach, reach, reach’. Remember this when we inevitably melt in 2026.
Mel Kiper knows nothing
Top needs entering the draft: Quarterback, cornerback, wide receiver, guard and edge rusher
Reach, reach, reach. That's what I have in my notes for the Saints. Too many reaches. I was critical of their first round. I was similarly critical of their second and third rounds. Some of that centered on their QB approach -- I had a much higher grade on Shedeur Sanders than I did Tyler Shough, whom they took at No. 40. But I just didn't love their value throughout.
On Shough, are we sure he will be the heir apparent to Derek Carr? The veteran is dealing with a shoulder injury, and his status for 2025 is up in the air. I understand that Shough is 26 years old, but I'm not sure New Orleans can put him on the field this season and expect to win games. And really, if you're taking a quarterback in the top 40, you've got to believe you can win games with him, either immediately or after he catches up to the speed of the league. I don't have that belief.
I liked the selection of offensive tackle Kelvin Banks Jr. in Round 1, but Vernon Broughton was my 20th-ranked defensive tackle, and New Orleans took him in Round 3. There were better safeties available when it drafted Jonas Sanker in the same round, too. The Saints didn't get an edge rusher until Round 7 and didn't take a wide receiver at all.
So what saves this class from a C? They added a few good players on Day 3, including linebacker Danny Stutsman and cornerback Quincy Riley. Those are solid picks. Not stars, but solid prospects. Overall, I would have gone in a different direction if I were in GM Mickey Loomis' shoes.
Mel Kiper knows nothing
Top needs entering the draft: Quarterback, cornerback, wide receiver, guard and edge rusher
Reach, reach, reach. That's what I have in my notes for the Saints. Too many reaches. I was critical of their first round. I was similarly critical of their second and third rounds. Some of that centered on their QB approach -- I had a much higher grade on Shedeur Sanders than I did Tyler Shough, whom they took at No. 40. But I just didn't love their value throughout.
On Shough, are we sure he will be the heir apparent to Derek Carr? The veteran is dealing with a shoulder injury, and his status for 2025 is up in the air. I understand that Shough is 26 years old, but I'm not sure New Orleans can put him on the field this season and expect to win games. And really, if you're taking a quarterback in the top 40, you've got to believe you can win games with him, either immediately or after he catches up to the speed of the league. I don't have that belief.
I liked the selection of offensive tackle Kelvin Banks Jr. in Round 1, but Vernon Broughton was my 20th-ranked defensive tackle, and New Orleans took him in Round 3. There were better safeties available when it drafted Jonas Sanker in the same round, too. The Saints didn't get an edge rusher until Round 7 and didn't take a wide receiver at all.
So what saves this class from a C? They added a few good players on Day 3, including linebacker Danny Stutsman and cornerback Quincy Riley. Those are solid picks. Not stars, but solid prospects. Overall, I would have gone in a different direction if I were in GM Mickey Loomis' shoes.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 8:34 pm to Flavius Belisarius
Thank god that dude isn’t our GM.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 8:52 pm to thenza
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Thank god that dude isn’t our GM.
Thank God A LOT of Saints fans weren’t our GM either…….
There was A LOT Of fans (especially in the NOLA area) that wanted Shedeur
Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:03 pm to infantry1026
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There were better safeties available when it drafted Jonas Sanker in the same round, too
Nearly every sentence of the write-up is wrong, which is impressive. Can anyone name a better safety taken after Jonas Sanker?
Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:03 pm to Flavius Belisarius
I still don’t know why Kiper had Sanders as his #2 overall prospect.
This post was edited on 12/22/25 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:04 pm to Flavius Belisarius
Usually anytime you take a player that Kiper hates it means that player will one day be an all pro. Kiper is an idiot.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:13 pm to Flavius Belisarius
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Nearly every sentence of the write-up is wrong, which is impressive. Can anyone name a better safety taken after Jonas Sanker?
I liked the pick when we made it……..but he has VASTLY outplayed my expectations for him! That was a GREAT job by the scouting staff, and Staley’s staff for developing him
Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:16 pm to Flavius Belisarius
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Nearly every sentence of the write-up is wrong, which is impressive. Can anyone name a better safety taken after Jonas Sanker?
He's the Jim Cramer of draft analysts.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:16 pm to infantry1026
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I liked the pick when we made it……..but he has VASTLY outplayed my expectations for him! That was a GREAT job by the scouting staff, and Staley’s staff for developing him
I liked the Sanker pick but was higher on Watts. Was hoping he’d be our pick in the 3rd instead of Broughton. We’d be set at safety the next decade if we had double dipped.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:21 pm to Flavius Belisarius
Like anyone else, he's dead wrong often, but right sometimes too...
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Vernon Broughton was my 20th-ranked defensive tackle, and New Orleans took him in Round
Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:39 pm to jrobic4
Brought on was a reach because Bo Davis had a personal relationship with him
Kiper took that and ran with it, the others were good value
Kiper took that and ran with it, the others were good value
Posted on 12/22/25 at 9:39 pm to jrobic4
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Vernon Broughton was my 20th-ranked defensive tackle, and New Orleans took him in Round
Incomplete on this one due to injury but remaining grades are solid A’s.
Posted on 12/23/25 at 10:08 am to Flavius Belisarius
More in a long list of examples that Kiper sucks arse at his job. I don’t know why anyone pays any attention to him.
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