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re: Battle of the backups

Posted on 5/5/18 at 12:27 am to
Posted by Browncoatrebel
Member since Nov 2017
1107 posts
Posted on 5/5/18 at 12:27 am to
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Hill will be the #2.


Exactly. Savage is arse. Dude gets touched and has a concussion
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67198 posts
Posted on 5/5/18 at 9:29 am to
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Posted by Browncoatrebel
Member since Nov 2017
1107 posts
Posted on 5/5/18 at 11:55 am to
quote:

Taysom Hill


quote:

 if he can't beat out Savage for the #2 spot then we are in real trouble.



Yeah we're effed. That's why I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do.. Hopefully the days of seeing Grayson go 3 and out for an entire half are long gone and preseason games will actually be fun to watch again
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72056 posts
Posted on 5/5/18 at 12:40 pm to
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Hill will be the #2.no one wants to give this kid the credit he deserves.


Our fans did not want to draft Lamar Jackson b/c he was a 59% passer last season and 57% overall in college

Taysom Hill is 27 y/o, was a 58% career passer in college, hasnt thrown a meaningful pass in an NFL game and some think he's the "heir apparent"

Tom Savage is a 57.5% passer in the NFL, has thrown 5 TDs in 315 pass attempts and some think he's firmly entrenched as our QB2

JT Barrett is a 63.5% college passer w/ big game experience and a 104:30 TD to INT ratio

bottom line is we are screwed if Drew goes down, but JT Barrett may be our most competent option considering his accuracy in the short game and his ability to run. SP may be able to game manage him to a few Ws if needed, considering our OL, run game and defense
Posted by BlackTiger89
Member since Sep 2016
799 posts
Posted on 5/5/18 at 1:27 pm to
I was thinking the same! Savage isnt no garoppolo (if i spelled it right) and jt barret would have been a 1st-2nd rounder if ohio state won the championship. So he has the talent and hill has many tangibles to his game. I figure barret and hill will battle out for the two.. Hopefully they are amazing for us.. I dont see savage staying unless one of the two look bad
Posted by infantry1026
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2010
6045 posts
Posted on 5/8/18 at 11:02 am to
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and jt barret would have been a 1st-2nd rounder if ohio state won the championship


Um......No, he couldn't beat out CARDALE JONES as the starter lol. He is a good leader, and athlete but he has a slow release and below average arm strength.

We are severely lacking in depth behind Drew period....but Silvers has a better release, accuracy and arm strength than Barret. REALLY would not want to rely on ANY of them though lol



Barret's Draft Profile:

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Weaknesses
Operation time and ball handling are a little slow
Not a naturally accurate passer
Makes receivers work too hard
Ball placement can be a struggle even on swing passes and short throws
Completed a measly 28 percent of his throws over 21 yards this season
Seam curls come wide open and he will opt for safe throws in middle of the field
Misses opportunities to challenge safeties
Gets it out a step late on intermediate and deep throws
Halts progressions early rather than allowing route development
Three-quarter release makes him short in the pocket and allows defenders to maul his pass attempts
Release and arm strength are below average
Allows rushers to get on top of him
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 11:04 am
Posted by Dats Who
Down the road
Member since Nov 2012
482 posts
Posted on 5/8/18 at 12:24 pm to
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We are severely lacking in depth behind Drew period....but Silvers has a better release, accuracy and arm strength than Barret. REALLY would not want to rely on ANY of th


Silvers is only in for a tryout, right? Hoping he does well enough to get signed. I'd like to see what he can do.

As others have said, we're screwed if Drew goes down. Really looking forward to seeing Taysum Hill in preseason to see if he can manage the offense. I think he has that "it" factor. Savage is straight garbage.

Every year it's the same though, no one we've had as the back up to Drew could be counted on to win games. shite, Daniel, McGown, Daniel again, Grayson, they all sucked.

I'll say this though. Brees would have to carry the team before. Now we actually have a team of talented youngsters to support Drew, offensively and defensively. Whomever wins the backup spot is in a better position to succeed than in years past.
Posted by SaintReb17
Member since Mar 2018
64 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 5:56 pm to
I know Savage seems like a terrible QB, but honestly, he isn't terrible. He has starting experience, and can be a decent backup if (god forbid,) Brees goes down. As much as I like Hill and Barrett, I would put my money on Savage playing better if that situation ever arises.

However, I would not be surprised to see Hill or Barrett do well either. I just think Savage is a pretty good backup, considering I'm a fan of having a young backup with starting experience.
Posted by SaintReb17
Member since Mar 2018
64 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 6:06 pm to
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I know Savage seems like a terrible QB, but honestly, he isn't terrible. He has starting experience, and can be a decent backup if (god forbid,) Brees goes down. As much as I like Hill and Barrett, I would put my money on Savage playing better if that situation ever arises.

However, I would not be surprised to see Hill or Barrett do well either. I just think Savage is a pretty good backup, considering I'm a fan of having a young backup with starting experience.


Just for comparison (yes I know Keenum played for Fischer when he did terribly)

TOM SAVAGE career stats
2017
cmp%= 56.1
yds=1,412
TDs=5
INTS = 6
Rating=71.4

2016
cmp%= 63
yds=461
TDs=0
INTS =0
Rating=71.4

2014
cmp%= 52.6
yds=127
TDs=0
INTS = 1
Rating=51.9


CASE KEENUM career stats
2017
cmp%= 67.6
yds=3,547
TDs=22
INTS = 7
Rating=98.3

2016
cmp%= 60.9
yds=2,201
TDs=9
INTS =11
Rating=76.4

2015
cmp%= 60.8
yds=828
TDs=4
INTS =1
Rating=87.7

2014
cmp%= 58.4
yds=435
TDs=2
INTS =2
Rating=72.2

2013
cmp%= 54.2
yds=1,760
TDs=9
INTS = 6
Rating=78.2

NOW...
Do I think Savage is Keenum? NO. However, discarding the 2017 outlier year, Keenums early career is quite similar to Savages thus far. Keenum's is slightly better, but its honestly not that far off. Also for consideration, the rams had a much better team than the Texans during those years.

My point is, I don't think that Savage is that bad of a backup QB for us. Its still early in his career and under the right system, might find a role for a team, and could grow considerably, especially considering our Oline and Running game is significantly better than the texans. Just don't discard savage as a servicable backup.

And yes, I think we need a succession plan for Drew, the lack of a young, promising QB is a huge risk IMO. But hey, if we do get a SB in the next 2-3 years (if Drew can last 3 more), then it'll all be worth the risk.
This post was edited on 5/9/18 at 6:09 pm
Posted by GMoney2600
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
14126 posts
Posted on 5/10/18 at 1:36 pm to
Pretty much. Savage isn't great, but he would be the guy to come in if Brees gets injured imo. At least for the 2018 season.
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