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re: Baker Mayfield signed 3 years up to $115 million
Posted on 3/11/24 at 7:51 am to blueboxer1119
Posted on 3/11/24 at 7:51 am to blueboxer1119
They were pretty similar last season...
Baker:
64.3% comp
4.9 td%
1.8 int%
7.1 yds/att
94.6 passer rating
Carr:
68.4% comp
4.6% td %
1.5 int%
7.1 yds/att
97.7 passer rating
Baker:
64.3% comp
4.9 td%
1.8 int%
7.1 yds/att
94.6 passer rating
Carr:
68.4% comp
4.6% td %
1.5 int%
7.1 yds/att
97.7 passer rating
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 8:02 am to P bean
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And he cost 33.33 mill a year now.
That's why we could have moved onto Russell Wilson....or Ryan Tannehill.
If we wanted a good QB, we could have broke the bank for Kirk Cousins.
Posted on 3/11/24 at 8:18 am to P bean
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And he cost 33.33 mill a year now.
They were under no obligation to sign him. Amazingly enough they’ll actually be able to get out in 3 years if they so choose before he’s even Carr’s age.
Posted on 3/11/24 at 8:33 am to P bean
Mayfield was a sub-90 passer rating guy for his first 72 games (3 teams). He could have finally figured it out, but I think it's more likely he regresses to career avg
Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:19 am to P bean
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He stayed with the Bucs and probably gave them a discount, because this market is starving for qb’s Daniel Jones 40 mill a year etc.
Jones stayed with his team. It appears there’s not much of a market for Fields, though that could just be smoke because teams think they can take advantage of the Bears. The guys that are where Mayfield was last year that could sign one year deals include Darnold and Drew Lock. The one likely to get a bigger deal more like Carr got in 23 is Cousins.
Posted on 3/11/24 at 10:24 am to P bean
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Can you quote that P bean?
Dont need to you basically admitted it
You really are a lying lazy sack of sh!t
Posted on 3/11/24 at 10:38 am to High Life
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I still think it’s too much but unlike when Carr signed with us, there were most likely a few suitors coming after baker
This is a funny statement to me. When it comes to the contract value for Winston & Carr, the Saints clearly overpaid because no other team was interested. If anyone states otherwise, you get the prove it demands.
Yet, Baker was a FA and signed before the legal tampering period. He also "leaked" several weeks ago that it's his desire and plan to stay with TB. But we should all just assume the value of the contract is a fair value because there were most likely a few teams knocking down his door for his services.
It could all be 100% factual; it's just funny to me.
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Only 3 years. Who knows how long we will be stuck with Carr.
To be fair. This is more of an indication of how poorly Loomis has the cap handled. If Saints went after Baker last year, Baker had similar season with the Saints, and the Saints signed Baker to the 3 yr $100M deal w/ $40M guaranteed; we'd still say the same thing because this team cannot walk away from big contracts due to the cap issues.
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 10:43 am
Posted on 3/11/24 at 10:52 am to goatmilker
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You really are a lying lazy sack of sh!t
Youre really a dumbass. Why do I need to search your posts, you already said you thght Baker would get 25 mill.
Posted on 3/11/24 at 10:55 am to Weekend Warrior79
*Wipes glasses*
Derek Carr, is that you?
Derek Carr, is that you?
quote:
last year Tampa went 3-7 vs teams with a winning record... but 6-1 vs teams with a losing record
they went 1-5 vs playoff teams... but 8-3 vs non-playoff teams
they played 4 games vs teams that started rookie QBs (2nd highest total games in NFL) and went 3-1 in those games
they went 2-7 unless their opponent scored 18 or fewer points and 1-6 unless their opponent scored 20 or fewer points
they went 3-6 unless they won the turnover battle
they went 0-3 if their defense didn't record a takeaway
and his stats?
well, the RB passes were incredible
and the 3rd down conversions were, by far, a career best which don’t translate year-over-year very consistently…
pre-TB on 3D: 33% conversion, 55.9% comp, -0.16 EPA/att
2023 TB on 3D: 40% conversion, 63.7% comp, +0.17 EPA/att
but when you remove 3D passing and RB-targets?
Baker was one of the worst QBs in the NFL last year in every key metric, ranking bottom-10 in accuracy, EPA/att, success rate, YPA, completion rate and more
Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:59 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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When it comes to the contract value for Winston & Carr, the Saints clearly overpaid because no other team was interested. If anyone states otherwise, you get the prove it demands.
Yet, Baker ... we should all just assume the value of the contract is a fair value because there were most likely a few teams knocking down his door for his services.
It could all be 100% factual; it's just funny to me.
Fair enough. We do know of two teams (jets/panthers) who were "interested" (visited) with Carr and it makes common sense to say that they weren't anywhere near $150M/4year. It also makes common sense that we would've heard of others had there been any, but technically its possible that we dont know if there were anymore. Carr doesn't really move the needle so its possible that the media was lazy reporting his free agency. Its all speculation from my end, but if I'm honest there's probably not that much more interest in Mayfield right now than there was in Carr a year ago.
Still, you could say that Mayfield earned some of this contract or at the very least was owed something from last year. And yes I do think he offers a decent amount of upside compared to Carr.
Regardless of all this, why are we mocking the bucs for this contract. Its much more favorable than Carr's. Why are we still on our high horse?
Posted on 3/11/24 at 2:31 pm to High Life
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Why are we still on our high horse?
It's the only place we can look down on all of the other teams and mock them for their decisions?
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter and I don't think either of us really gives a shite. But part of the lack of interest in Carr could have also been driven by the fact that it originally started off as a team would need to trade for him. Don't recall the rumors, but you would have had to give up a good draft pick, then resign him to a hefty deal. There are only a few QBs worth that, and neither of these guys fit that description.
I also agree that I think Baker would have generated some serious interest if he hit the market. Mainly due to the year he had, but also because there are a lot of teams that need some answers at the QB position.
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:19 pm to P bean
Dupe post
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:23 pm to P bean
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Theyre both essentially 3 for 100, at the time signed, except Saints guaranteed more, and Bucs willing to pay up to 115$.
The guaranteed part is the most important that’s what you always fail to grasp. If he bombs this year and they want to move on it won’t be as bad.
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Def way worse. Baker hasnt put together two good seasons in a row since he’s been in the NFL.
Not only is it not way worse, it’s way better. the guaranteed money is much less. If he sucks in 2024 dead cap number in 2025 is $29M and $9M in 2026. Carr’s dead cap numbers are $51M and $61M in 2026
as far as performance yes he’s been inconsistent hopefully that continues however he does have 2 playoff wins and is coming off his best season.
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At least Carr is consistently mid tier.
Exactly why I didn’t want him
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:57 pm to H-Town Tiger
Mayfield’s deal is essentially a 2 for $60mil given the guarantees in the first two seasons
These Carr retards will try and convince you that this makes his contract palatable
These Carr retards will try and convince you that this makes his contract palatable
Posted on 3/11/24 at 5:02 pm to GynoSandberg
You'll also hear stuff like
By certain people who, in other threads, say that restructuring him (and thus, making it at least a 4-year deal) was always the plan
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Theyre both essentially 3 for 100
By certain people who, in other threads, say that restructuring him (and thus, making it at least a 4-year deal) was always the plan
Posted on 3/11/24 at 5:46 pm to msstate7
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Mayfield was a sub-90 passer rating guy for his first 72 games (3 teams). He could have finally figured it out, but I think it's more likely he regresses to career avg
Agreed.
Posted on 3/11/24 at 5:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Theyre both essentially 3 for 100
Obviously are, at $33.33 mill per year.
Baker’s could be more based upon incentives, at $38.33 per year if incentives are reached.
Annddd even if you decide to ignore fact and consider Carr a 4 for 150, thats $37.5 per year.
So ultimately Carr is currently still less than Baker.
You know, the same Baker who was supposedly would be lucky to get a Geno Smith type deal ($25mill). According to the idiots on this board.
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 3/11/24 at 6:24 pm to P bean
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You know, the same Baker who was supposedly would be lucky to get a Geno Smith type deal ($25mill). According to the idiots on this board.
Derp
This is the Geno smith deal with a cap increase. Just stop posting
Posted on 3/11/24 at 6:30 pm to H-Town Tiger
Wow the difference in cap hits is massive. Carr isn't going anywhere until his deal is up.
That's a lot of money to take on the chin 50 or 60 million.
That's a lot of money to take on the chin 50 or 60 million.
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 3/11/24 at 6:56 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Exactly why I didn’t want him
But you want Baker for 33.33$ mill.
Lol.
quote:
Not only is it not way worse, it’s way better.
Lol. So youre basically a child got it. Who writes this?
Basically showing you have the intelligence of a Billy Madison character.
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 6:57 pm
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