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Athletic “exec” views of all 32 teams draft (SAINTS)
Posted on 5/14/22 at 9:02 am
Posted on 5/14/22 at 9:02 am
This years draft was definitely divisive.
It’s seems that the saints nationally don’t get nearly the amount of respect they deserve.
They’ve been borderline handicapped the past few seasons through injuries and unfortunate circumstances. Thoughts on article?
Key highlights:
“The Saints were mind-boggling, how much value they destroyed by trading up,” an exec said.
“They got solid starters in Olave and Penning, but it’s just not worth what they gave up,” an exec said. “That is the other thing that really stood out to me is the teams who view the draft as a market and totally manipulate the market and understand how to, like Howie Roseman is great at it, compared to the teams that don’t, the teams that trade up for this need or whatever the case may be. If you are trading up for a Julio Jones, maybe I understand because certain guys are so gifted and talented, but Chris Olave, as much as I love him, is not one of them.”
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It’s seems that the saints nationally don’t get nearly the amount of respect they deserve.
They’ve been borderline handicapped the past few seasons through injuries and unfortunate circumstances. Thoughts on article?
Key highlights:
“The Saints were mind-boggling, how much value they destroyed by trading up,” an exec said.
“They got solid starters in Olave and Penning, but it’s just not worth what they gave up,” an exec said. “That is the other thing that really stood out to me is the teams who view the draft as a market and totally manipulate the market and understand how to, like Howie Roseman is great at it, compared to the teams that don’t, the teams that trade up for this need or whatever the case may be. If you are trading up for a Julio Jones, maybe I understand because certain guys are so gifted and talented, but Chris Olave, as much as I love him, is not one of them.”
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Posted on 5/14/22 at 9:14 am to Stevo1856
The window is open you have to go for it.
Long term above average success is nice, but “win now” mode can win championships (Buccs and Rams recently)
It’ll all look genius or terrible in hindsight, but
Long term above average success is nice, but “win now” mode can win championships (Buccs and Rams recently)
It’ll all look genius or terrible in hindsight, but
This post was edited on 5/14/22 at 9:19 am
Posted on 5/14/22 at 9:20 am to Stevo1856
A couple things "whodats" know that the "exec" doesn't.
We have a lot of depth.
A bunch of 3-7th rounders sounds nice but would you take all that knowing they might not make this team?
We may have a QB but how do you evaluate him with a no weapon offence?
If you focus on a rebuild who do you attract FA wise?
I hope Mr exec watches the players we cannot keep after camp get scooped.
We have a lot of depth.
A bunch of 3-7th rounders sounds nice but would you take all that knowing they might not make this team?
We may have a QB but how do you evaluate him with a no weapon offence?
If you focus on a rebuild who do you attract FA wise?
I hope Mr exec watches the players we cannot keep after camp get scooped.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 9:47 am to Stevo1856
Media hates losing "value" but anyone that has ever run anything knows need outweighs value 100% of the time. Saints needed cheap starters, you get those in the first round. Saints have good depth, you get that with the picks they traded away. It makes perfect sense for what the Saints need.
It's not like the Jets or Jags trading up for that win now move, the Saints were a count hair away from being in the playoffs running QB's that had no business playing NFL football.
It's not like the Jets or Jags trading up for that win now move, the Saints were a count hair away from being in the playoffs running QB's that had no business playing NFL football.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 10:32 am to Stevo1856
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That is the other thing that really stood out to me is the teams who view the draft as a market and totally manipulate the market and understand how to, like Howie Roseman is great at it,
I can’t get over the analytics obsession with Howie Roseman. I would take the saints roster 10/10 times over the eagles, yet people act like roseman has built the greatest team ever assembled through the draft.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 10:32 am to Stevo1856
Since 2016, the Saints have the 3rd best overall record in the NFL. These clowns whine and criticize, but the results say that Loomis knows what he's doing.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 11:11 am to Stevo1856
This exec claimed “Howie Roseman is great at it”. That immediately invalidates his entire opinion. Howie roseman is trash. Dude has drafted terribly.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 11:17 am to Stevo1856
"After all their trading up, the Saints landed receiver Chris Olave and tackle Trevor Penning in the first round. Their cost: picks 18, 98, 101, 120 and 237 in this draft, plus their 2023 first-rounder and 2024 second-rounder."
“The Saints were mind-boggling, how much value they destroyed by trading up,” an exec said.
Well you have to admit that on the surface that is quite an expenditure of draft picks to wind up where we were and for who was available. Granted the previous year coming in Olave was considered the top w.r. in the draft but in the course of the year his value did slip. I have no doubt that Olave will be a top receiver and that Penning should at least be a solid starter but you can't deny this was a high risk high reward move by the team. For a lot of people this was a head scratcher.
“The Saints were mind-boggling, how much value they destroyed by trading up,” an exec said.
Well you have to admit that on the surface that is quite an expenditure of draft picks to wind up where we were and for who was available. Granted the previous year coming in Olave was considered the top w.r. in the draft but in the course of the year his value did slip. I have no doubt that Olave will be a top receiver and that Penning should at least be a solid starter but you can't deny this was a high risk high reward move by the team. For a lot of people this was a head scratcher.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 11:27 am to hellsu
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but you can't deny this was a high risk high reward move by the team. For a lot of people this was a head scratcher.
No doubt is was a costly draft.
Not a head scratcher to me. Allen wants/must prove quickly he can win without CSP. Not just to show us or the msm but to show those on the team and off that this is where you want to be cause we still win and make the playoffs.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 11:33 am to Swagga
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I can’t get over the analytics obsession with Howie Roseman. I would take the saints roster 10/10 times over the eagles,
He does well in getting a lot of picks and good ones. But doesn’t do anything with them. He needs an overhaul in his scouting department
Posted on 5/14/22 at 11:35 am to hellsu
All of this doesn’t matter if Olave and Penn ing turn into good starting players. You have to give Winston weapons so you can make an accurate decision if he’s your future starter at QB or if we have to make another trade next year for a QB or a trade to get high in the draft for a QB. I think he’s going to be a top 10 QB this year and I’ve always been a Jameis detractor. He’s grown up a lot since he was in Tampa and it’s obvious in his play as well as how the team plays for him, with Olave’s speed to stretch the defense and MT13 and Jarvis basically playing WR like they are linebackers over the middle and underneath you’re going to see a very good Saints team. Add Kamara to that mix and defenses can’t key on one guy like they had been last year.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 1:34 pm to LSUPilot07
I get it but, my point is you can't blame people for questioning the cost because if Winston works out and becomes our future going forward then we look like champs but if he doesn't all of a sudden the loss of that 1st rd pick next year really affects our ability to pursue that Q.B. of the future.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 1:49 pm to hellsu
Many teams win a SB with other teams Qbs too.
Tampa
Saints
Denver
Rams
etc.
Or you really suck
Indy
Pats
Seattle
KC
etc.
Tampa
Saints
Denver
Rams
etc.
Or you really suck
Indy
Pats
Seattle
KC
etc.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 1:56 pm to Stevo1856
Tired of hearing about “value.” Would rather players on the field that can produce.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 2:23 pm to Stevo1856
Lol bearing Jameis going full retard, the league bout to get shitted on. Top 5 defense. Top 5 WR group, Top 5 oline, top 5 RB.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 3:17 pm to goatmilker
quote:
Many teams win a SB with other teams Qbs too.
Tampa
Saints
Denver
Rams
etc.
Or you really suck
Indy
Pats
Seattle
KC
etc.
I would love nothing better than to have Winston prove himself to be that guy. I think he has grown up and deserves that second chance to prove himself. I also like this aggressive approach to building now.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 3:24 pm to hellsu
I've been surprised at the aggressive bent as well.
My favorite move just might be Doug Marrone back on the oline. I trust he will sit those who don't measure up and get us the best line he can. Do I expect him to work miracles?
Yes. Yes I do.
My favorite move just might be Doug Marrone back on the oline. I trust he will sit those who don't measure up and get us the best line he can. Do I expect him to work miracles?
Yes. Yes I do.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:25 pm to Stevo1856
You DO NOT TRADE NEXT YEARS 1ST ROUND PICK until DA has at least one full season as a head coach. The odds that pick is a Top 10 pick is higher than it being a bottom 10 pick. It could be a Top 5 pick.
With a TOP 5 pick they could have drafted a player far better than any player they drafted this year or last year. Could get a QB with that pick.
Not now, they traded it away.
With a TOP 5 pick they could have drafted a player far better than any player they drafted this year or last year. Could get a QB with that pick.
Not now, they traded it away.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:47 pm to obdobd918
There are teams with 2 1st round picks next year. No practical way of competing with that.
Good news is next year could have as many as 6-8 possible front line QB's.
Good news is next year could have as many as 6-8 possible front line QB's.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:50 pm to Swagga
quote:
people act like roseman has built the greatest team ever assembled through the draft.
If he’s so great why did they need to draft a WR 3 straight years in the 1st round just to get a decent starter?
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