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re: "All we need is a mediocre defense."
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:56 am to shel311
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:56 am to shel311
it was a good low scoring game.....I think anyone would take a 13-10 lead on the road in bad weather with the opponent getting the ball with under a minute with no time outs.....the defense played great all game,but in the end they shite the bed , just like at new England...
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Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:58 am to FenrirTheBeard
quote:That's quite a bit overstated.
Other teams have our passing game figured out. We need a new angle.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:59 am to Patrick O Rly
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Right. I don't see how bad line play would make your play calling bad. We hardly run the ball, but we still do that hard play action. Derp.
This has been one of my biggest pet peeves with Payton. He refuses to run the ball or stick with any kind of run game, yet when we want to pass, we PA. How in the world does that make sense?
With backs who excel so much more in space than in between the tackles like Sproles and Thomas, I don't see why it isn't blatantly obvious we need to move to more of a spread attack. For how intricate this offense is, doesn't it almost seem pedestrian when we roll up in an I formation? Because when do try and run, we're basically screaming out to everyone, hey look we're trying a run play here. What happened to draws? To counters? Some HB tosses? For being so creative with the passing game, if Sean spent even half as much time on designing better run plays, we'd be an infinitely better team right now.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 9:00 am to plawmac
quote:should they have passed the ball...ran 0 clock and let them keep their time outs....fans would have been screaming about how good the defense played and why we didn't run the ball and put it in their hands...
The offense had two opportunities to simply run out the clock and win the game, despite their gutwrenching, miserable performance. They ran 6 plays and took less than 1 minute off the damn clock
Posted on 12/23/13 at 9:01 am to SaintLSUnAtl
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The run game has worked ok WHEN THEY STICK WITH IT. I'm so confused. They don't get 15 yards on the first handoff, abandon running game. Drew throws 2 picks on the first two possessions while under constant pressure? 60 passes I've tried to make the the point that even if the run isn't working all the great, even 2-3 yards a carry, the threat has to be there to make the defense respect it and give the playaction at least some chance, however small it may be, to work Screens - blown up more often than not Deep passes - When Drew actually gets time the WR are usually covered Playaction - what's the point? Run - 4.5 yard per carry....but it's not working
I hear what you are saying but I don't see us being able to effectively run the ball against teams other than dallas and chicago from here on out. I think yesterday we did run effectively a few times but I'm thinking it was probably a product of surprise since we threw the ball so much up to that point. I just don't think we can lineup from play 1 of a game and say "ok we're going to run see if you can stop it" Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see it
Posted on 12/23/13 at 9:03 am to shel311
Not necessarily this year, but that's been the MO for this team for a while. I'm just saying it would be nice if the defense could return the favor.
And most, if not all, DC's would take turnovers over yards any day. Again, the '09 unit gave up a chunk of yards but got the ball back a lot, covering for it.
I'm not saying let the offense off the hook...........they have a ton of issues to address. But I've been saying for weeks that this defense needs to start being more aggressive about getting the ball back.
And most, if not all, DC's would take turnovers over yards any day. Again, the '09 unit gave up a chunk of yards but got the ball back a lot, covering for it.
I'm not saying let the offense off the hook...........they have a ton of issues to address. But I've been saying for weeks that this defense needs to start being more aggressive about getting the ball back.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 9:05 am to Brettesaurus Rex
I agree we need to run more and be better at it...
as far as play action goes you have to understand this offense is about timing...with the problems with the o-line it throws everything off..
look back when brees has time this offense is almost unstoppable....
as far as play action goes you have to understand this offense is about timing...with the problems with the o-line it throws everything off..
look back when brees has time this offense is almost unstoppable....
Posted on 12/23/13 at 9:06 am to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:How many runs do you have to run before you can set up PA?
He refuses to run the ball or stick with any kind of run game, yet when we want to pass, we PA. How in the world does that make sense?
I know we passed alot, but we did hand to the backs 27 times yesterday. That seems like more than enough to keep a defense honest and have to respect the run.
quote:I alwyas wondered why we don't run an offense similar to New England, but I can't question it too much as we've been quite successful with what we do over the years.
With backs who excel so much more in space than in between the tackles like Sproles and Thomas, I don't see why it isn't blatantly obvious we need to move to more of a spread attack.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 9:08 am to Patrick O Rly
The playcalling is radically different this year. We take hardly no shots down the field and we dink and dunk everything.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 9:08 am to sicboy
quote:Either is fine.
And most, if not all, DC's would take turnovers over yards any day. Again, the '09 unit gave up a chunk of yards but got the ball back a lot, covering for it.
I guess my point is when you have a top 5 D in yards and points, you have a good D and you can't really go blaming them too much for losses, especially when they're giving up 17 points in a loss, IMO.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 9:09 am to shel311
what sucked the run game was working then the rain hit...at that time the panthers stacked the box not worrying about the pass...
Posted on 12/23/13 at 9:11 am to shel311
Again, not blaming them for the losses, but the lack of takeaways is extremely noticeable and frustrating. A sack fumble would have gone a long way yesterday. I like this defense, but there have been plenty of times when this team really needs a turnover and it just doesn't happen.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 9:14 am to sicboy
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there have been plenty of times when this team really didnt need to turn the ball over and it just happens.
fixed it for you!
Posted on 12/23/13 at 9:17 am to sicboy
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I like this defense, but there have been plenty of times when this team really needs a turnover and it just doesn't happen
I think we're debating semantics, at this point.
Before the final minute, our D had given up 10 points. Sure, we definitely needed a turnover, but the fact that we needed the turnover is an indictment of the offense yesterday, not really the D.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 9:23 am to diat150
The play calling at the end is what gets me. Most people will tell you to run the ball at the end to force them to use timeouts. However, the Saints are not built to smash mouth anyone. By running 3 straight downs, you are conceding that the Panthers will get the ball back. That is not what the saints do best. Your best player is drew Brees and you take the ball out of his hands. One first down and the game is over. Same scenario happened at New England with the same result.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 9:48 am to shel311
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One way to mask a bad line is to run more screens.
When we run screens, the board wants Payton's head on a stake.
The best way to mask a bad o-line is to be balanced; this stops the d-line from just pinning their ears back or keying on the run. HAVE TO KEEP THE D OFF BALANCE.
I do like our screen game, but CSP becomes obsessed with it at times and becomes predictable.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 10:05 am to gadknot
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It's easy to blame the playcalling, but I'm pretty sure the play calling is a product of a very bad offensive line
We are playing one of the best front sevens in the league, yet we insisted on running these screens, fake double reversed, swing passes, etc...
What do you need as a defense to stop those plays? A solid front 7. Payton called them game right into Carolina's strength on defense. Even the straight up passing plays were short underneath routes that played right into Carolina's linebackers.
The line is awful, yes, but there are ways around it. Keep 2 backs in to block, or an extra tight end. This takes their linebackers out of the equation and eliminates the pass rush.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 10:10 am to dcrews
This whole "the offense has been figured out" thing.
I don't buy it.
Unless you mean our road offense has been figured out.
Because our offensive playcalling at home is fine.
I don't buy it.
Unless you mean our road offense has been figured out.
Because our offensive playcalling at home is fine.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 10:12 am to dcrews
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We are playing one of the best front sevens in the league, yet we insisted on running these screens, fake double reversed, swing passes, etc...
What do you need as a defense to stop those plays? A solid front 7. Payton called them game right into Carolina's strength on defense. Even the straight up passing plays were short underneath routes that played right into Carolina's linebackers.
The line is awful, yes, but there are ways around it. Keep 2 backs in to block, or an extra tight end. This takes their linebackers out of the equation and eliminates the pass rush.
That doesn't help when no one can get open, though.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 10:12 am to dcrews
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The line is awful, yes, but there are ways around it. Keep 2 backs in to block, or an extra tight end. This takes their linebackers out of the equation and eliminates the pass rush.
This X 1000.
I love CSP, but sometimes the easy answer is the correct one. The problem is he will not use the easy fixes because he tries to get "too cute". Bill Parcells had stated this before about SP when they coached together. He would have to reign in SP every once in a while.
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