re: a disturbing tweet about the future

Payton will not be fired, but, I don't think he is interested in giving up his personnel decision power to anyone, nor do I believe that he's interested in staying with the Saints past Brees's tenure.

I don't believe that there will be any front office changes after this season, no matter what happens. IMHO, the ownership is not very stable or strong at this moment, so, I think that ownership stands pat.

We might see a new DC next season, but, that's the extent of the changes.

Just my humble opinion.

Victoria Justice is a good call. Ill take Minka Kelly.

That's a great post Lester.



shite, I'm only 28 and I can remember dreading each football season because I knew that the Saints and LSU would do nothing but lose. Louisiana football fans have gotten so spoiled and so entitled that it kind of takes the fun out of it...

It's like everybody has forgotten where we have come from

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Any Saints fan, especially that was a fan prior to 2006, has to be a complete dumbass to want to get rid of a coach who has produced those results with this historically shitty franchise.

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Payton should have free reign to coach as he sees fit absolute and without criticism until he dies? Is that what you're saying?

Anyone can see the guy hasn't been the same since his suspension. Maybe it's the lost year and the lost picks. I'll give him through this season as a grace period, but a continued lack of running game, unimaginative play calling, horrendous clock management, and shitty drafts and you have to start questioning the guy.

I'm a fan of the Saints franchise, not a particular player or coach.

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and he replied we are likely seeing the end of the Loomis Payton Brees Era....

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I thought that was obvious

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some personnel stuff and bad drafts have let the team get away from what they were, but it really doesn't change the on field stuff. Hiring Ireland is a nice start, at least he admits there might be a problem with the drafts. Firing Rob Ryan needs to be next, and a few of his other "buddies".

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It's not just bringing in Ireland, they revamped the entire scouting department which was necessary. I agree with you that they should been more proactive a few years ago instead of being reactive when shite started to hit the fan from a scouting perspective. Changes were made & that's a positive.

The "good ole baw" system on the defensive coaching staff needs to end. It's been a terrible failure for the most part. This organization needs new blood when it comes to defensive coaches because player development is severely lacking especially with defensive linemen. If no changes are made this will eventually cost Payton his job.

There have been mistakes. No one can deny that. They should have taken whatever draft pick the Bills offered for Jahri Evans this summer whether it was a 5th, 6th or 7th rounder. A decent guard could have been found in those rounds instead the team is stuck with a washed up guard with no viable replacement at the moment. This made Payton look a hypocrite when he said before the draft that the protecting Brees was a top priority. It's not like Evans play has come out of nowhere. He's been in a decline since 2012. Trading for Unger was great but the move is being negated since Unger is surrounded on both sides by garbage.

I don't want Payton gone yet. I still think he's a good coach but he is painfully stubborn at times. What is promising though is that Payton has shown the willingness to make massive changes. He's going to have to do that once again with defensive staff this upcoming offseason. It's also past time to get Brees a stud WR along with upgrades at guard.

Also, I admire his loyalty to long term players like Colston & Evans but that loyalty is hurting the team overall when these guys are washed up. Tom Landry & Bill Walsh got rid of players before they would decline despite fans wishes. Bill Belichick has taken that mentality too. Payton needs to be the same way.

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Ideally id like to see them add some actual weapons at WR, shore up the OL, and continue to build the defense. I would love for Payton to over see that.

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This is a very good thought, though. Remember, this is year one of Jeff Ireland overseeing college scouting. He's produced Kikaha, Anthony, Davison and Swann. They're all playing. And Payton being an offensive coach, he'll be able to find some offensive talent in the coming years.

I think this could possibly be the beginning of the end of the first Payton era, but he should still remain the coach. What it will all hinge upon if he can stay with the team for his renaissance is if he can find another QB after Drew Brees. Does he hold on to him for too long? Does he move on and move on with the right talent at QB?

It will be interesting to see...I don't think Brees is done in Nola yet, but I do think barring something magical Brees won't be a Saint after 2016.

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He should also lose control over being the definitive say on player personnel if that is the case. Let Ireland do his job

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I agree to a point. Let Ireland be the decision maker when it comes to lineman & defensive players. That's his specialty. I still don't have a problem with Payton making the decision on skill position players. That's one aspect Payton has been pretty good at evaluating. There needs to input from both but both need to play to their strengths when it comes to the evaluation process.

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end of Payton




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Why is this bad?

Just curious. He seems to have gotten lazy and not adjusted with the league. He has somehow become a terrible talent elevaluator and no longer has the creative edge.

I am very ready for the Payton era to end. I just hope that we can find the right people to put in place to move forward.

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and he replied we are likely seeing the end of the Loomis Payton Brees Era....

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welcome to last year geessh


If you can't or don't want to get that 06-13 is over well I have some ocean front property in Arizona I'll sell ya cheap