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re: 2nd pick is Tracy Porter
Posted on 4/26/08 at 7:57 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/26/08 at 7:57 pm to Lester Earl
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I asked who do u think is going to be a better pro
i don't know
i'm just talking about value on draft day
i do think jenkins will be better than porter
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and how can be be sure someone would have traded back?
well everyone WOULD have traded up. it just depends on what they would have to pay
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Posted on 4/26/08 at 7:58 pm to True Grit
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king was abused by hardy and devin thomas.
well i can't compare hardy (obviously), but thomas v indiana: 14 catches for 148 yards and 1 TD
Posted on 4/26/08 at 8:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i do think jenkins will be better than porter
I do agree that trading all of our picks on day two and pick #40 to get Jenkins would have been a good move and I am not sure that the Cowboys did not start to hear something like that when they moved up. I don't think we called anyone and offered that but it would have been a good move by us.
Posted on 4/26/08 at 8:03 pm to VA LSU fan
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I do agree that trading all of our picks on day two and pick #40 to get Jenkins would have been a good move
kill yourself
Posted on 4/26/08 at 8:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
I liked the 1st round pick but I would have rathered get one of the very good receivers or fred davis, or dan connor than this porter guy I have never heard of. Looks like another jason david to me
Posted on 4/26/08 at 8:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but thomas v indiana: 14 catches for 148 yards and 1 TD
how many of those catches came against porter?
bottom line is that king was inconsistent this year and porter was solid all year.
Posted on 4/26/08 at 8:06 pm to True Grit
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how many of those catches came against porter?
i'd be willing to be indiana put its best cover man on MSU's best WR
Posted on 4/26/08 at 8:07 pm to rsande2
Pat Lee, Wheatley and Terrell Thomas to end the 2nd round
no King
no King
Posted on 4/26/08 at 8:08 pm to Lester Earl
obviously SFP knows something the pro scouts don't
Posted on 4/26/08 at 8:38 pm to EmperorGout
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Looks like another jason david to me
WRONG!!! WRONG!! WRONG!!! Jason was a cover 2 corner which is very different from a pure cover corner which Porter is. Cover corners fits the Saints defensive scheme. Evidentally they thought they could convert David to a cover corner based on his speed but we know how that turned out... Porter is a good pick and could potentially see a lot of playing time on defense with a good chance of being a starter in '09.
Posted on 4/26/08 at 9:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
Hey SFP, 3 other CB's were taken in round 2 after Tracy Porter, by GB, NE, and NYG. Still no Justin King. Looks like the pro scouts ddn't like the guy as much a you did. Doesn't mean they're right and you're wrong. Scouts make mistakes every year. It does mean that your opinion on him is not widely shared by pro scouts.
Posted on 4/26/08 at 9:44 pm to Lester Earl
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kill yourself
Just because I would wnat to trade away picks we will end up cutting. Lets see what happens on day two to see what was the right move. And it was not me that said we should trade away our all our day two picks it was your boy SFP.
Posted on 4/26/08 at 9:58 pm to VA LSU fan
the guy is fast and tested and good. he played against good receivers in pratice and in games. he had great workouts, he had a great senior bowl..
and oh yea... we suck at corner and our best corner is hurt and not getting any younger...
GOOD PICK!!!!!!!!!!!
and oh yea... we suck at corner and our best corner is hurt and not getting any younger...
GOOD PICK!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 4/27/08 at 12:20 am to L.A.
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Hey SFP, 3 other CB's were taken in round 2 after Tracy Porter, by GB, NE, and NYG. Still no Justin King
that's what i was trying to say
taking a project CB who is an athlete but doesn't like to play run D and has bad footwork could be had later
i mean i hope porter turns out well and solves our CB problem, but i was just saying project CBs would be there later. it isn't that porter may not be a better CB than king, but the value is very different
if we had gotten a FS and a diff project at CB (who was only slightly worse), i think we would have been better, no?
Posted on 4/27/08 at 12:54 am to SlowFlowPro
he's a project now?
where do you get this shite?
where do you get this shite?
This post was edited on 4/27/08 at 12:54 am
Posted on 4/27/08 at 1:11 am to Lester Earl
TSN:
ESPN:
NFL Draft Countdown:
Footballsfuture:
it is pretty much a consensus that at this point he will provide nothing in run support
also many have labeled him a better athlete than technician who gives up a lot of cushion
do you think he's ready to start at CB for the saints next year? honestly
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Is a better athlete than football player; gets by relying on athleticism instead of technique. Lacks a consistently straight backpedal, and struggles to flip hips when using bad footwork. Does not consistently transition out of backpedal quickly, hindering ability to close. Allows completions on passes he should break up. Does not always compete hard; sometimes is deliberate in run support and often gets blocked
ESPN:
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Weaknesses: Lacks ideal strength and only adequate bulk. Not physical enough. Needs to get stronger and tougher in order to hold up in the NFL. Does not support the run nearly as well as his 2007 tackles total (83) would indicate. Looks to avoid contact as much as possible. Will get pushed around at times and struggles to get off of blocks. Also allows bigger receivers to dictate routes.
NFL Draft Countdown:
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Doesn't have the bulk you look for...Is not very physical...Has to get stronger...Is just an average tackler...Will have some trouble getting a jam at the line...Gives a big cushion and will give up some easy catches..Marginal technique and footwork
Footballsfuture:
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Porter is a quality cover man, but he lacks the size to match up with physical receivers at the next level. He is going to lose out in one on one situations and it is not something he can really change. He shows some ability to help out in the running game but his lack of size and strength limits him in this area.
it is pretty much a consensus that at this point he will provide nothing in run support
also many have labeled him a better athlete than technician who gives up a lot of cushion
do you think he's ready to start at CB for the saints next year? honestly
Posted on 4/27/08 at 1:12 am to wmrebel74
Who?
Posted on 4/27/08 at 1:25 am to SlowFlowPro
so you basically go to all the draft sites and quote his weaknesses?
come on dude
who gives a shite about run support? we need him to cover WR's, which we didnt do last year. Supporting the run is the LAST thing you look for in a corner.
No, I dont think he will. I dont think there was a CB left that could have came in and started.
Not every 2nd round pick is drafted to be a starter. That doesn't mean they are a project
come on dude quote:
it is pretty much a consensus that at this point he will provide nothing in run support
who gives a shite about run support? we need him to cover WR's, which we didnt do last year. Supporting the run is the LAST thing you look for in a corner.
quote:
do you think he's ready to start at CB for the saints next year? honestly
No, I dont think he will. I dont think there was a CB left that could have came in and started.
Not every 2nd round pick is drafted to be a starter. That doesn't mean they are a project
Posted on 4/27/08 at 1:28 am to Lester Earl
pat lee would've been nice but his speed is questionable ....
wheatley could be a steal if the pats system...anotehr samuel in the making...undersized, good ball skills and plays bigger than he is
wheatley could be a steal if the pats system...anotehr samuel in the making...undersized, good ball skills and plays bigger than he is
Posted on 4/27/08 at 1:34 am to Lester Earl
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so you basically go to all the draft sites and quote his weaknesses?
what was i replying to/
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where do you get this shite?
yeah, i told you where i got it from
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who gives a shite about run support? we need him to cover WR's, which we didnt do last year. Supporting the run is the LAST thing you look for in a corner.
i agree, but generally coaches in the NFL won't play CBs that don't play the run unless their name is deion
but i have a feeling it will keep him off the field next year
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