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Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:17 am
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:17 am
This is a thread to discuss Dennis Allen as an NFL head coach.
For some perspective, let’s look at some current and recent NFL head coaches:
Hue Jackson 11-44-1 (.205)
Matt Eberflus 3-10-0 (.231)
David Culley 4-13-0 (.235)
Dennis Allen 12-37-0 (.245)
Nathaniel Hackett 3-9–0 (.250)
Jeff Saturday 1-3-0 (.250)
Matt Rhule 11-27-0 (.289)
Joe Judge 10-23-0 (.303)
Matt Patricia 13-29-1 (.314)
Dan Campbell 13-27-1 (.329)
Romeo Crennel 32-63-0 (.337)
Greg Schiano 11-21-0 (.344)
Raheem Morris 21-38-0 (.356)
Josh McDaniels 16-24-0 (.400)
Adam Gase 32-48-0 (.400)
Here are some stats about Dennis Allen’s current stint as Saints head coach.
We are currently tied as the 2nd most penalized team in the NFL: 86
We are currently tied for the 11th least PPG in the NFL: 20.4
We are currently 16th in most PPG allowed: 22.8
We currently have the 2nd most turnovers in the NFL: 21
We are currently the 2nd worst team in turnover differential: -12 (9 takeaways/21 giveaways)
Let’s look at some historical numbers on Allen.
Turnover ranking with the Raiders:
2012: -7 (19/26) 10th worst in the NFL
2013: -9 (22/31) 6th worst in the NFL
Penalties against with the Raiders:
2012: 11th most penalized team in the NFL
2013: 6th most penalized team in the NFL
For some perspective, let’s look at some current and recent NFL head coaches:
Hue Jackson 11-44-1 (.205)
Matt Eberflus 3-10-0 (.231)
David Culley 4-13-0 (.235)
Dennis Allen 12-37-0 (.245)
Nathaniel Hackett 3-9–0 (.250)
Jeff Saturday 1-3-0 (.250)
Matt Rhule 11-27-0 (.289)
Joe Judge 10-23-0 (.303)
Matt Patricia 13-29-1 (.314)
Dan Campbell 13-27-1 (.329)
Romeo Crennel 32-63-0 (.337)
Greg Schiano 11-21-0 (.344)
Raheem Morris 21-38-0 (.356)
Josh McDaniels 16-24-0 (.400)
Adam Gase 32-48-0 (.400)
Here are some stats about Dennis Allen’s current stint as Saints head coach.
We are currently tied as the 2nd most penalized team in the NFL: 86
We are currently tied for the 11th least PPG in the NFL: 20.4
We are currently 16th in most PPG allowed: 22.8
We currently have the 2nd most turnovers in the NFL: 21
We are currently the 2nd worst team in turnover differential: -12 (9 takeaways/21 giveaways)
Let’s look at some historical numbers on Allen.
Turnover ranking with the Raiders:
2012: -7 (19/26) 10th worst in the NFL
2013: -9 (22/31) 6th worst in the NFL
Penalties against with the Raiders:
2012: 11th most penalized team in the NFL
2013: 6th most penalized team in the NFL
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 5:54 am
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:21 am to Suntiger
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mloomis@neworleanssaints.com
mloomis@neworleanssaints.com
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:22 am to Suntiger
At the moment, I feel we've made a big mistake. I'm hoping we're somewhat healthy after the bye to at least see what he can do with most his players. Injuries have been brutal this season.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:27 am to msstate7
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Injuries have been brutal this season.
I feel like this should be in the New Orleans Saints mission statement.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:31 am to Snipe
Yep. Even with a great coach, they went 9-8 bc of Covid/injuries.
I'd love to be pleasantly surprised with a 3-1 post-bye run bc I think we keeping him regardless... might as well hope he figures it out
I'd love to be pleasantly surprised with a 3-1 post-bye run bc I think we keeping him regardless... might as well hope he figures it out
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:58 am to Suntiger
Well to be fair the Raiders usually are one of the most penalized team no matter who the coach is it seems like I apologize for not showing any statistical proof for that but that usually seems to be the case.
But yeah I mean you look at what he's done as a head coach and how things are going right now and I don't know how anyone can keep a straight face and save it he's going to be able to turn this thing around.
But yeah I mean you look at what he's done as a head coach and how things are going right now and I don't know how anyone can keep a straight face and save it he's going to be able to turn this thing around.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 10:00 am to LooseCannon22282
There's really no justification to keep him next season imo, but still, I think he'll be back
Posted on 12/7/22 at 10:15 am to LooseCannon22282
quote:
the Raiders usually are one of the most penalized team no matter who the coach is it seems like I apologize for not showing any statistical proof for that but that usually seems to be the case.
They were the most penalized team the two years before. But they got worse from year one to year two under Allen. Also, it’s hard to ignore that we are the 2nd most penalized team this year.
And this doesn’t take into account the turnovers.
Turnovers and penalties typically show how disciplined a team/coach is.
quote:
I'd love to be pleasantly surprised with a 3-1 post-bye run bc I think we keeping him regardless... might as well hope he figures it out
I have been of the opinion that he was going to be given another year. But it’s likely we go 1-3 out of the bye and that should warrant termination. 2-2 is questionable, but we would have to look really good.
We are about to see what the players think of Allen. Because they are basically playing for his job at this point IMO.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 10:30 am to msstate7
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I think we keeping him regardless... might as well hope he figures it out
IMO he was hired because the team will need a season or two, maybe more to clean up its salary cap situation. No good coach is going to come into this situation and turn it around with no money for FA's, so let Allen steer the ship through the storm. In a few years (hopefully by 2025 for sure) the cap space will be there, hopefully er strike gold on some rookie talent and with 3-4 years of bad football letting Allen go will be easier, AND the team will be more attractive to potential young up and coming coaching and GM talents.
Just my thought on the situation.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 12/7/22 at 10:43 am to Suntiger
Should’ve hired Mike McDaniel. Instead we hired this retread loser. What a time to be a Saints fan.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 10:52 am to ElRoos
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Should’ve hired Mike McDaniel. Instead we hired this retread loser. What a time to be a Saints fan.
A few of us were pushing for MM but Allen was pretty popular when it happened. Honestly not sure why MM would’ve picked us over Miami though.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:32 pm to St Augustine
quote:
Allen was pretty popular when it happened.
To who? All I remember was people pissed of for how lazy the hire was because he is a horrid head coach.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:04 pm to Geauxgurt
I can go bump the thread, many on here were happy with the hire or thought he ‘deserved’ the chance.
Sad thing, three offensive coaches look to be solid hires, the Vikings giants and dolphins coaches. Dont think we interviewed any of the three. And we finished with a better season last year than all three.
That doesn’t look good on Loomis at all. We just interviewed minority coaches and retreads and didn’t interview the best retread at all in Harbaugh.
Sad thing, three offensive coaches look to be solid hires, the Vikings giants and dolphins coaches. Dont think we interviewed any of the three. And we finished with a better season last year than all three.
That doesn’t look good on Loomis at all. We just interviewed minority coaches and retreads and didn’t interview the best retread at all in Harbaugh.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:05 pm to Suntiger
The Saints have only been awful once in the last 22 seasons, the Katrina season is the only time we've been worse than 7-9. No hurricane close to us this year and we're complete shite. Dennis Allen is the coaching equivalent of a natural disaster.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:10 pm to Suntiger
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:34 pm to Suntiger
That is just wrong to put Saturday in there at 1-3
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:45 pm to Suntiger
I thought he'd stop being a loser and learn something from his time under CSP. Boy was I fricking wrong. I guess once a loser always a loser.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:47 pm to msstate7
Blame injuries all you want. You getting the same result next year too. Fully healthy or not. Allen literally ruined this team in one offseason. Especially the defense.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:58 pm to Suntiger
Looks like Saints have the right guy compared to that list.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 4:19 pm to Suntiger
quote:
Romeo Crennel 32-63-0 (.337)
In fairness to this guy, he was in Cleveland when a resurrected Vince Lombardi, with Dick Vermeil as his OC and Don Shula as his DC couldn’t have won there. 32 wins is a decent accomplishment.
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