re: Zion is NOT getting traded.

I do care. I want the team to have a shot at success. That won't happen as long as we keep building around a lazy loser.

Exactly! If Zion stays hurt most of next season, we'll again be tanking for a high pick and accelerating a rebuild. But if Zion has turned a corner on his fitness, then we'll be keeping him and including him as part of our rebuild (and it'll be a shorter rebuild).

Either way, there's no great reason to trade him.

Y'all realize that Zion is one fairly minor injury away from being a negative asset, don't you?

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This is not Baron Davis, Chris Paul, Tony Davis . You are not getting a loot for Zion

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Right. Trading Zion now for peanuts only means that we end up tanking next season. That's also what happens if he stays hurt all season! Either way, we tank.

The other scenario is that he stays healthy and leads the team to a play-in birth. In which case, maybe we can include him in our long-term plans.

I just don't see a real upside in trading him right now.

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Why can't you just be honest and engage my actual argument?

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I don't believe in tanking, ever. I would never lose on purpose. I see no value in it (this season just strengthens that belief).

I do believe it's OK to be intentionally bad, if that struggle develops what you have. But I don't think it's necessary to "tank". So I would never advocate for it.

I and many others have proposed tons of Zion trades that return real value. If you believe like me, that Zion will play in limited games, than any serious return will make us better. So I don't accept we get worse by moving him. I just can't believe that. There is also the entire team dynamic and allowing others to flourish. I was never an Ingram fan, but we all know that Zion held him back. What if it's having the same effect on Murphy?

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At least now there is potential still plus an advantageous contract. If he can't perform (like at an all star level for a lot of games), his value takes another hit and he's coming up for an extension next summer. I just want off the roller coaster..

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I agree with this 100%. Trade Zion. Now. Get 50 cents on the dollar. Get 25 cents on the dollar. I want off this ride. I'm sick of the injury return timetables. You can't build a team around a guy who doesn't play.

Let's say we keep him. And in December he pulls a hamstring that keeps him out for 6-8 weeks. This is imminently possible. Heck, Zion pulling a hamstring is more probable than not. What happens to his trade value? What happens to his value to the team?

Get rid of him now and move forward developing the #7 pick, Trey Murphy, Herb, and whatever prospect we get in return for Zion.

Not responding to anyone in particular here

But I see a lot of Zion has low or no value posts and if we trade him, we’d get 25 cents on the dollar.

I won’t run through every team in the league. But I’ll run through a few that would potentially trade for Zion. And I’ll keep it simple.


Philly Sixers- pick 3 and salary for Zion. Philly has always been a win now team and one willing to push their chips on the table. On our end, Regardless of what people think about Ace Bailey, getting a rookie deal Ace Bailey for a 6 year failure in Zion is actually worth not keeping Zion and getting even less for him when he plays 30 games or less again and/or has more off court drama.

Charlotte Hornets- Pick 4 and Miles Bridges. Same premise. Charlotte would do this to make a big splash and try to not be in the lottery next year.

Utah Jazz- Pick 5 and Walker Kessler and/or John Collins, Utah is another purgatory team that would roll the dice on Zion.

Washington Wizards- Pick 6 and Coulibaly or Bud Carrington. Another Purgatory team starved for a star

Wildcard Spurs. Pick 2 and Devin Vassell for Z and pick 7. Do the Spurs need Dylan Harper with Fox and Castle in the mix?

I feel like 12 other teams would make offers like this as well. I just highlighted ones with high picks in the draft.

Zion is definitely a tradeable piece with value. Did we miss the boat when we didn’t trade him for Hali, Maxey, or Sengun types 2-3 years ago? Yes, but we could still extract value. Pick a rookie and try to develop them into the next up and coming star.

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Roller coaster implies there have been some peaks with Zion. Where can I find these stretches? It’s been all misery.

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You got to admit when he made Chris Paul have a hissy fit was pretty funny.

Antonio Daniels is a loser. Get him off our broadcast team.

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Charlotte Hornets- Pick 4 and Miles Bridges. Same premise. Charlotte would do this to make a big splash and try to not be in the lottery next year.

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I like the Spurs pick and Vassell more. But I don't think that is something the Spurs would do, plus I'd like to ship Zion east. He has a better chance there, plus it's closer to home for him.

I like Bridges as a player and think he would be a great fit next to Murphy. Good contract too. Plus then we can take Edgecombe or Bailey.

What do you think Brooklyn would give us? They don't need to give us contracts. Could we get #8 plus an additional 1st for Zion?