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Zach Lowe on Brandon Ingram(and some other recent national coverage)
Posted on 1/22/21 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 4:43 pm
Hadn’t seen it posted so I figured I’d drop it for anyone interested
Zach Lowe did a big write up on Ingram that is pretty glowing and gives a lot of insight into him as a player and in terms of where he sees his strengths, weaknesses, and what he thinks is the best future version of Ingram. He also went on the podcast circuit to discuss. Podcasts cover much of the article if you can’t ESPN Insider(someone might want to post if they can) and goes into other details about him and the team. Including what he thinks Zion/BI need to be successful in terms of complimentary players.
LINK
Podcasts(I think they’re very good listens):
LINK
LINK
In general there’s been a recent resurgence of Pels National coverage from our slow start. The Ringer Mismatch podcast(haven’t listened yet, might not have time this weekend) seems to have 30 minutes devoted to Zion and the Pels struggles this season.
Sports Illustrated’s Open Floor podcast did some diving into the team and Zion.
LINK
LINK
Zach Lowe did a big write up on Ingram that is pretty glowing and gives a lot of insight into him as a player and in terms of where he sees his strengths, weaknesses, and what he thinks is the best future version of Ingram. He also went on the podcast circuit to discuss. Podcasts cover much of the article if you can’t ESPN Insider(someone might want to post if they can) and goes into other details about him and the team. Including what he thinks Zion/BI need to be successful in terms of complimentary players.
LINK
quote:
SOMETIME IN OCTOBER 2019, Joe Boylan, then an assistant coach with the New Orleans Pelicans, received an unexpected text from Brandon Ingram -- one of the franchise's new stars, acquired months earlier in the Anthony Davis trade.
"I trust you now," the message began.
Ingram urged Boylan to coach him hard, invited Boylan to "motherf---" him if necessary, whatever it took. It was the same message Ingram had delivered to New Orleans higher-ups on his first day there, when he walked into the office of Jeff Bzdelik, then the Pelicans' lead assistant, and declared, "I think I have greatness in me. I want you to get it out of me, and I don't care what you do," several in that room recalled.
Days after that text, Ingram arrived a few minutes late to his appointment at the training table. That was not unusual. Ingram is a night owl. Boylan lit into him in front of the training staff: "This is why the Lakers got rid of you! This motherf---er wants to be great? No! He wants to be comfortable."
Boylan's delivery was so over the top, everyone knew it was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Boylan reminded Ingram that his lateness delayed players behind him on the schedule.
Ingram smiled and took it. "I like being called out," he said. "Players at this level think they're above that. I'm still a few minutes late sometimes, but I'm much better."
Perry Tyndall, Ingram's coach at Kinston High School in eastern North Carolina, called out Ingram only once -- when Ingram shrugged and refused to make eye contact as Tyndall criticized Kinston's starters for losing to backups in practice. Tyndall ripped Ingram. He felt bad about it almost right away.
When Tyndall arrived home, he was surprised to receive a text from Ingram apologizing. "I realized I'm being cussed at for a reason," Ingram said. "If I'm the leader of this team, that is going to trickle down. I had to be sharper. I had to be on top of my s---."
Podcasts(I think they’re very good listens):
LINK
LINK
In general there’s been a recent resurgence of Pels National coverage from our slow start. The Ringer Mismatch podcast(haven’t listened yet, might not have time this weekend) seems to have 30 minutes devoted to Zion and the Pels struggles this season.
Sports Illustrated’s Open Floor podcast did some diving into the team and Zion.
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 4:47 pm
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Posted on 1/22/21 at 4:48 pm to Bronc
quote:
In general there’s been a recent resurgence of Pels National coverage from our slow start.
Windhorst was absolutely brutal to Zion about his defense and defensive rebounding in a podcast this week. Although to be fair, Zion kind of deserves it right now on that side of the ball.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 5:01 pm to TigerinATL
The best encapsulation I heard about his struggles came from TBW guys and they summed it up perfectly IMO: paralysis by analysis and I think that is correct.
Too often Zion seems to be lost on his reads and in response just sort of freezes up. Or he makes a read but overreacts. Or makes the wrong read(like closing out non shooters). There’s some effort issues as well, and that goes for the whole team unless your name is Adams, but Zion’s biggest problem right now to me is mental.
BI also shouldn’t be without criticism and Lowe sort of talks a bit at times, but BI needs to be consistently engaged on that end if he wants to be the great player he thinks he can be and in recent games that has not been the case.
The good thing is there is zero evidence we have a KAT/Wiggins situation here. Where our core is just immature, indifferent, and outright rebellious about getting better defensively. Both clearly want to be great and great two way players, and to me they both have the physical tool and the right mentality, so I’m not worried long term. But in the short term it is frustrating to see the warts, slow progressions, and regular set backs
Too often Zion seems to be lost on his reads and in response just sort of freezes up. Or he makes a read but overreacts. Or makes the wrong read(like closing out non shooters). There’s some effort issues as well, and that goes for the whole team unless your name is Adams, but Zion’s biggest problem right now to me is mental.
BI also shouldn’t be without criticism and Lowe sort of talks a bit at times, but BI needs to be consistently engaged on that end if he wants to be the great player he thinks he can be and in recent games that has not been the case.
The good thing is there is zero evidence we have a KAT/Wiggins situation here. Where our core is just immature, indifferent, and outright rebellious about getting better defensively. Both clearly want to be great and great two way players, and to me they both have the physical tool and the right mentality, so I’m not worried long term. But in the short term it is frustrating to see the warts, slow progressions, and regular set backs
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 5:08 pm to Bronc
quote:Lots of message board level takes out there from guys getting paid to cover basketball. The Mismatch was up there.
The Ringer Mismatch podcast(haven’t listened yet, might not have time this weekend) seems to have 30 minutes devoted to Zion and the Pels struggles this season.
They all but said they'd take RJ Barrett over Zion at this point. Just fyi, Barrett's averaging 17.8 ppg, shooting 40.8% from the field and 23.5% from 3.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 5:12 pm to eyeran
quote:
They all but said they'd take RJ Barrett over Zion at this point.
The people acting like Zion is underperforming are absurd. I think it was the Windhorst podcast where they said his numbers don't impact winning. He literally is drawing the ENTIRE defense into the paint and STILL is scoring at historic rates. It's not Zion's fault the Pels aren't taking more advantage of that. If JJ wasn't in a slump and Lonzo didn't have PTSD from his dad, the Pels would be 8-6 right now.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 5:12 pm to eyeran
That’s good to know and I’ll skip that one lol.
Kevin O’Connor I tend to respect a lot but that other guy is hot take trash, so not that surprising.
And I do think you need to be careful with National guys and that’s why I just threw that in there and not it’s own thread. Lowe I think is generally very good because he has a methodical and objective way he does his national coverage(actually goes into it on one of the pods), whereas guys like Vernon I think just literally talk out their arse after watching part of a game every other month when we are on TNT or something.
Kevin O’Connor I tend to respect a lot but that other guy is hot take trash, so not that surprising.
And I do think you need to be careful with National guys and that’s why I just threw that in there and not it’s own thread. Lowe I think is generally very good because he has a methodical and objective way he does his national coverage(actually goes into it on one of the pods), whereas guys like Vernon I think just literally talk out their arse after watching part of a game every other month when we are on TNT or something.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 5:26 pm to Bronc
quote:I agree. I actually think Zion's been fine defensively, on ball, when he can just lock in on his man.
Zion’s biggest problem right now to me is mental.
Its the off ball stuff that gets him in trouble.
I think part of that is probably because he spent most of his time in HS and college standing in the paint waiting for guys to come to him. Now he's having to learn how to chase guys around 20+ feet from the basket.
Honestly, I think all of this stuff is going to be laughable a few years from now. People are crushing a guy less than 40 games into his career.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 5:32 pm to TigerinATL
quote:I know he has to be frustrated. My blood boils just watching it.
The people acting like Zion is underperforming are absurd. I think it was the Windhorst podcast where they said his numbers don't impact winning. He literally is drawing the ENTIRE defense into the paint and STILL is scoring at historic rates. It's not Zion's fault the Pels aren't taking more advantage of that. If JJ wasn't in a slump and Lonzo didn't have PTSD from his dad, the Pels would be 8-6 right now.
He literally HAS to be double teamed to have any shot at stopping him and we have nobody who can knock down a kick out three. Its disgusting.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 5:35 pm to eyeran
quote:
They all but said they'd take RJ Barrett over Zion at this point. Just fyi, Barrett's averaging 17.8 ppg, shooting 40.8% from the field and 23.5% from 3.
RJ Barrett’s PER is 13 something
what a bunch of clowns Posted on 1/22/21 at 5:39 pm to eyeran
If he still struggles after year 3, then I'll be concerned. He's slowly playing better as he gets more experience. All I want to see is progression which we are already seeing. While he still has a long way to go, he's being asked to do a lot. It's unheard of to ask such a young player to prioritize defending the post and rotate all the way out to the 3 point line against these stretch 4s. But people will be hard on him because of expectations of a generational talent.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 5:42 pm to Bronc
quote:There's an RJ/Zion, "Brighter Future," post on the Ringer youtube channel now.
That’s good to know and I’ll skip that one lol.
Critique the guy, sure. Crushing him is over the top.
As much as Shaq is catching heat for being a hater, to me, this is just an extension of the same issue. NBA writers will find an issue with how you lace your shoes if they have to, to fill podcast time.
If your game isn't Lebron or KD-level well rounded, even as a 20 year old, duck for cover.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 5:58 pm to eyeran
One of the Open Floor guys went into detail on this and on that podcast:
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I don’t agree with his prescription and solution, but I think he rightly identifies how special what Zion is capable of doing inside and it really sort of makes some of the doom posters around here knocking Zion look patently absurd.
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I don’t agree with his prescription and solution, but I think he rightly identifies how special what Zion is capable of doing inside and it really sort of makes some of the doom posters around here knocking Zion look patently absurd.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 6:19 pm to Bronc
Zion needs to grow as a passer, but we also need shooters for him to be at center to work.
On this roster, we have a total of 0 guys who play meaningful minutes shoot >40% from 3. our highest two: bledsoe (39) and ingram (38); both combine for 10 3PTA per game.
On the other hand, Utah has 5 guys who contribute meaningful minutes shooting >40% from 3. Their next highest is a guy shooting 38%.
the >40%+ guys combine for 32 attempts a game. that 38% guy is bogdanovic who shoots 6.5.
To also be reasonable, those guys for Utah:
O'Neale 38.4% career
Clarkson 34.6% career (last 2 years at 37%)
Ingles 40.7% career
Conley 37.6% career
Mitchell 35.9% career
Bogdanovic 39.3% career
know what that tells me? We need to get more shooters.
On this roster, we have a total of 0 guys who play meaningful minutes shoot >40% from 3. our highest two: bledsoe (39) and ingram (38); both combine for 10 3PTA per game.
On the other hand, Utah has 5 guys who contribute meaningful minutes shooting >40% from 3. Their next highest is a guy shooting 38%.
the >40%+ guys combine for 32 attempts a game. that 38% guy is bogdanovic who shoots 6.5.
To also be reasonable, those guys for Utah:
O'Neale 38.4% career
Clarkson 34.6% career (last 2 years at 37%)
Ingles 40.7% career
Conley 37.6% career
Mitchell 35.9% career
Bogdanovic 39.3% career
know what that tells me? We need to get more shooters.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 6:53 pm to htran90
Does it surprise anyone else how much across the league, except on the Pelicans it seems, 3pt shooting has gone up not just in terms of the amount but also percentage? There are 22 players shooting 45% or higher this season whereas last season only 3. This season there are 66 players shooting over 40% whereas last season only 28 players did. Some of these numbers may fall as the season progresses but I'm still impressed so far. I'm also kind of impressed that the Pelicans have not one of these players.
This also reminded me how much I disliked not signing Seth Curry. Summer League or not, he looked like he belonged in this league. Kudos to him though for what he's achieved.
This also reminded me how much I disliked not signing Seth Curry. Summer League or not, he looked like he belonged in this league. Kudos to him though for what he's achieved.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 6:56 pm to hugo_boss
quote:
Does it surprise anyone else how much across the league, except on the Pelicans it seems, 3pt shooting has gone up not just in terms of the amount but also percentage? There are 22 players shooting 45% or higher this season whereas last season only 3. This season there are 66 players shooting over 40% whereas last season only 28 players did. Some of these numbers may fall as the season progresses but I'm still impressed so far. I'm also kind of impressed that the Pelicans have not one of these players.
Interesting. The good news is that the high supply of such players makes acquiring one of those guys a little easier.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 7:04 pm to eyeran
Shaq has never impressed me as a commentator. His shtick is so weak. i.e. I was a superstar. His takes are never insightful. He is not creative or witty or memorable, aside from his slanderous remarks, and his constant aggression toward guys 50 to 70 pounds lighter than he is, is so sophomoric. It takes Ernie to translate and revamp anything Shaq says into a coherent and relevant thought.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 7:16 pm to eyeran
quote:
There's an RJ/Zion, "Brighter Future," post on the Ringer youtube channel now.
Critique the guy, sure. Crushing him is over the top.
It's from Vernon, who's probably still crying himself to sleep because Ja didn't win ROY unanimously.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:08 pm to Bronc
quote:You spent 2 days calling me a moron for suggesting Zion has shown a lack of effort stating that was absolutely not the case.
of freezes up. Or he makes a read but overreacts. Or makes the wrong read(like closing out non shooters).
Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:12 pm to supe12sta12z
quote:This right here.
He's slowly playing better as he gets more experience. All I want to see is progression which we are already seeing.
He's getting better as the season goes on. Granted, he didn't get off to a good start when you compare it to last season, but we're seeing the improvement, now let's just see if he can sustain the better play moving forward.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:14 pm to eyeran
quote:Gonna say this right here...again.
Critique the guy, sure. Crushing him is over the top.
There's a disconnect where Zion is basically having hsi performance compared to the Lebron's of the world and since it's not quite up to par, it's somehow being translated into well Zion is trending down and RJ Barrett is now trending up so let's compare RJ to Zion, which is flat out absurd.
From that draft class, Zion and Morant are obviously #1 and #2 and whoever #3 is, the difference between 2 and 3 is legit probably a bigger gulf than the difference between 3 and probably the 45th dude in the draft or some shite.
I do think Ja has closed the gap considerably on Zion from what my thoughts on the 2 were at the time of the draft, but I'd still take Zion over Ja without hesitation at this point.
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