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re: YouTube Sports injury Doctor thinks Zion will continue to trend down athletically
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:24 am to Upperdecker
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:24 am to Upperdecker
This guy has been posting sensationalist stuff about Zion for a year now. I’m skeptical of a doctor trying to become a YouTube star.
Not saying Zion all is fine with Zion. But this guy seems invested in Zion failing for whatever reason.
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 10:29 am
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Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:24 am to shel311
There are a ton of factors that have to be taken into consideration regarding Zion over the last year.
1. He was drafted and then paraded around the country for Pels promos, Jordan promos, and ESPN promos.
2. He played less than one game of summer league and was shut down.
3. He had an injury that was not diagnosed by the team until during preseason practice. He had surgery and then was held out at least a month longer than any one else on the team would have been out of an abundance of caution.
4. He got to play in only 19 games, with at least 5 of them with hard minute restrictions, before the season was shut down.
5. He had to spend four months working out at his house with his step father. He wasn't able to work out with trainers and in the Pels facility despite being able to go there for treatment.
6. He had to leave the bubble to attend a family matter during the ramp up to the season. Then, he has hard minute restrictions in the first three games back.
I would say that he has had a very unique set of circumstances over the last 15-18 months that most athletes have not had to endure at the beginning of his career. I do think he is at risk to put weight on and he will have to work hard on his conditioning, but I also don't think this will be nearly as big of an issue as others once he is able to get into a professional routine. Despite all of this he is averaging 22.4/6.4/2.1 on limited minutes. There are A LOT of positives that we could be focusing on.
1. He was drafted and then paraded around the country for Pels promos, Jordan promos, and ESPN promos.
2. He played less than one game of summer league and was shut down.
3. He had an injury that was not diagnosed by the team until during preseason practice. He had surgery and then was held out at least a month longer than any one else on the team would have been out of an abundance of caution.
4. He got to play in only 19 games, with at least 5 of them with hard minute restrictions, before the season was shut down.
5. He had to spend four months working out at his house with his step father. He wasn't able to work out with trainers and in the Pels facility despite being able to go there for treatment.
6. He had to leave the bubble to attend a family matter during the ramp up to the season. Then, he has hard minute restrictions in the first three games back.
I would say that he has had a very unique set of circumstances over the last 15-18 months that most athletes have not had to endure at the beginning of his career. I do think he is at risk to put weight on and he will have to work hard on his conditioning, but I also don't think this will be nearly as big of an issue as others once he is able to get into a professional routine. Despite all of this he is averaging 22.4/6.4/2.1 on limited minutes. There are A LOT of positives that we could be focusing on.
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 10:31 am
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:46 am to ThePistol
I understand all of that but after the injury and the initial minutes restriction we seen him start to come around with conditioning and explosiveness. As far as the covid quarantine, that is no excuse. Literally every player had to deal with this. Even when he left the bubble, he could have stayed in shape. Everyone on the team came to orlando looking in great shape but just needed the basketball minutes for conditioning. He didn't
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:59 am to Lester Earl
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They need to get it together or this Dr is right. He can’t keep playing at this weight
I don’t really see how anyone downvoted this. The Dr is spot on regardless of what Griffin floats out there about not needing to lose weight.
The dude can easily afford to lose 15-20+ lbs and it will absolutely help him in the long run. He’s still extremely young so hopefully they get the conditioning and body composition issues solved sooner rather than later.
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 11:02 am
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:00 am to J_Hingle
quote:This is where I stand.
As far as the covid quarantine, that is no excuse. Literally every player had to deal with this. Even when he left the bubble, he could have stayed in shape. Everyone on the team came to orlando looking in great shape but just needed the basketball minutes for conditioning. He didn't
Not the end of the world, doesn't mean he won't take it more seriously ever for the rest of his career, but just a bit of a concern that he seemingly wasn't quite as ready as everyone else. Just something to keep an eye on basically.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:09 am to shel311
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But how do the Pels allow this to happen?
Because this is the NBA.. the league where the sightliest unhappy star demands a trade and names the exact team he wants to go play for.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:38 am to J_Hingle
quote:You have nothing at all to base that on. How can you sit in front of your TV and say that he has gained 30 pounds of fat? Even if he is heavier, there is no way to know if it is purely fat. So many nutritionists and kinesiologists on TD.
Has nothing to do with anything regressing. It is because he is about 30lbs heavier than he was at duke lol. You will be slower, less explosive, less conditioned, and slower on defense when you add 30lbs of fat. What a knucklehead
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:44 am to NOSHAU
If there's one thing the past six months has taught us, it's that the most accurate medical information you can get is on YouTube.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:02 pm to jmcwhrter
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Because this is the NBA.. the league where the sightliest unhappy star demands a trade and names the exact team he wants to go play for.
That’s not really true.
Davis could somewhat dictate the terms because he said he wouldn’t resign with certain teams, but at the same time we got A crazy good deal from the Lakers who were willing to ship everyone but Lebron.
I also Think Zion’s time is more related to what the staff wants to do than wheat he’s capable of doing. He played really well while jumping from 15 to 25 minutes
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:07 pm to Upperdecker
Literally everyone trends down health-wise the older they get. This isn't any groundbreaking news. 
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:10 pm to SammyTiger
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but at the same time we got A crazy good deal from the Lakers who were willing to ship everyone but Lebron
I am very happy with the trade now, but It wasn’t proven elite talent before the trade.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:13 pm to Upperdecker
Zion has been spectacular while everyone has claimed he is the most out of shape notable player in the NBA. It is just kind of funny they have claimed how horrible his conditioning while he whips some of the other veteran NBA players’ arse.
With that ridiculous logic Michael Jordan better watch out when he leans up just a bit and starts hitting the 3pt shot consistently.
IMO, his biggest issues have been related to not being able to establish a rhythm on the court and with the team because of the minute restrictions.
With that ridiculous logic Michael Jordan better watch out when he leans up just a bit and starts hitting the 3pt shot consistently.
IMO, his biggest issues have been related to not being able to establish a rhythm on the court and with the team because of the minute restrictions.
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:17 pm to NOSHAU
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You have nothing at all to base that on. How can you sit in front of your TV and say that he has gained 30 pounds of fat? Even if he is heavier, there is no way to know if it is purely fat. So many nutritionists and kinesiologists on TD.
Obviously, muscle is better than fat, but I'd rather him lose muscle mass too to get leaner.
You see this often in the NFL when a RB puts on too much muscle and gets slow.
I agree that some youtube quack is not a reliable or definitive source.
But don't ignore your own eyes. He's obviously bigger and less explosive.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:24 pm to Colonel Flagg
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I am very happy with the trade now, but It wasn’t proven elite talent before the trade.
No it was just a ton of prospects.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:31 pm to J_Hingle
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As far as the covid quarantine, that is no excuse
Well, for one, he might not have looked a whole lot better, but his cardio would've been so much better if he hadn't missed those ten days.
But for two, the guy is a freak. Virtually no one ever has been as big as he was at age 16 with that athleticism. My guess would be his eating habits didn't get dramatically worse from high school/Duke until now. His freakish body is just changing and he's not burning through his diet like he was. Usually that doesn't happen at age 19 or 20 for most people, but his body isn't normal.
So yeah, in my opinion he does deserve some slack.
I guess it's also possible he spent the entire covid break eating Mom's pizza rolls but I'd like to think otherwise.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:44 pm to Upperdecker
If there is one thing we have learned through the pandemic, its that youtube doctors should always be trusted
Posted on 8/6/20 at 3:08 pm to greewe
I dont Know many doctors who can diagnose a patient without seeing their medical records.
Or talking to them.
Or seeing one scan.
Most don’t do it watching basketball.
Or talking to them.
Or seeing one scan.
Most don’t do it watching basketball.
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 8/6/20 at 3:13 pm to josh336
quote:And yet just about every poster on here has posted or at least thought essentially the same things this Dr did...
If there is one thing we have learned through the pandemic, its that youtube doctors should always be trusted
Posted on 8/6/20 at 5:28 pm to shel311
Posted on 8/6/20 at 8:01 pm to Upperdecker
Zion's ACWR is just bad and isn't a player which can do 82 matches and more of 31 mpg in a season maybe...
Personally, I just need to openly know Aaron Nelson's opinions on Zion's weight.
I find it hard to believe that Zion's weight is not framed by Aaron Nelson....
Personally, I just need to openly know Aaron Nelson's opinions on Zion's weight.
I find it hard to believe that Zion's weight is not framed by Aaron Nelson....
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