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re: You have to Make the Playoffs or you Die
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:14 pm to htran90
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:14 pm to htran90
quote:
What the pelicans did to build this team is why they're in the situation. They gave up multiple assets for less. And if the assets you acquired get injured, then you're completely sol because you have up all the depth for those assets too. We gave up in theory 5 players for Tyreke, jrue, and asik.
I get the Jrue trade. He was a young promising guard without much worry. He was basically a guarantee to be a starting caliber pg for until his 30s hit.
Everything after though... Asik for picks when you gave up Rolo for scraps just to get Tyreke. Then realizing Rivers was a complete bust left the cupboards bare. Evans is a good player. If the league was 3 on 3, he'd be one of the more sought after players in the league. He's always gotten by being a "me" first player he never had to play team ball. It shows in NO. He'd be killer if he played for a title contender to come off the bench for. On teams that don't get favorable calls, it takes away from what he does best which is attacking the rim.
I feel like you can say this about every team every year but this off season is the most important to what direction the Pelicans go. Do they fill out the roster with role players or do they go after a guy who is a starter but wants a ton of money. Do you throw everything at Parsons or go after Hill and a few others at a cheaper price. Reminds me after LA left, pretty much everyone wanted players who could come in and look good on paper. Instead, we signed Aminu off the bat at a cheap price (4 years $32M, that's less than Asik) because most of the league was chasing the marquee players.
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Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:37 pm to theducks
quote:
I get the Jrue trade. He was a young promising guard without much worry. He was basically a guarantee to be a starting caliber pg for until his 30s hit.
Everything after though... Asik for picks when you gave up Rolo for scraps just to get Tyreke. Then realizing Rivers was a complete bust left the cupboards bare. Evans is a good player. If the league was 3 on 3, he'd be one of the more sought after players in the league. He's always gotten by being a "me" first player he never had to play team ball. It shows in NO. He'd be killer if he played for a title contender to come off the bench for. On teams that don't get favorable calls, it takes away from what he does best which is attacking the rim.
I feel like you can say this about every team every year but this off season is the most important to what direction the Pelicans go. Do they fill out the roster with role players or do they go after a guy who is a starter but wants a ton of money. Do you throw everything at Parsons or go after Hill and a few others at a cheaper price. Reminds me after LA left, pretty much everyone wanted players who could come in and look good on paper. Instead, we signed Aminu off the bat at a cheap price (4 years $32M, that's less than Asik) because most of the league was chasing the marquee players.
I get the Jrue trade, but he was damaged goods and you can blame all 3: Philly for knowing, Jrue's agent/himself for hiding it, and our medical staff's inept ability to figure it out and manage it when they did find out.
In hindsight, you get Noel and you can go ahead with the Evans deal...you probably end up 30-32 wins, right where the Cavs were who were right in front of us and won the lotto to draft Andrew Wiggins. I'm sure we wouldn't have won the lotto though, so that is a moot point.
What I do see is the 10mil that Jrue eats up being given to another player, then us drafting Payton, LaVine, or Warren. Thus not needing the trade for Asik either and the 20mil combined that Asik/Jrue make going elsewhere. Lets say LaVine as Rivers was considered a backup PG for us at this point you could have rolled into 2015:
PG: Evans/[free agent]
SG: EG/Lavine/QPon
SF: [free agent]/QPon/Cunningham
PF: AD/Ryno/Cunningham
C: Noel/Ajinca
Posted on 6/27/16 at 6:57 am to htran90
They bet big on the three guards, spending roughly 55% of their cap space past 3 years on just them. They've played in about 67% of the games.
This sort of gets back to the rotten core part, which rings true to me. It's not the players necessarily, it's ownership/management. They were never allowing a slow/organic rebuild. So you end up with poor fitting "name" pieces on a thin team struggling to stay above water with a coach and GM under fire to make the playoffs. Just a toxic culture for everyone.
This sort of gets back to the rotten core part, which rings true to me. It's not the players necessarily, it's ownership/management. They were never allowing a slow/organic rebuild. So you end up with poor fitting "name" pieces on a thin team struggling to stay above water with a coach and GM under fire to make the playoffs. Just a toxic culture for everyone.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 9:34 am to NOLA Bronco
quote:
and this
quote:
you guys can play pretend that you're in the same group as Portland, HOU, DAL, MEM, etc..
And spent multiple replies defending it.
You want to change your argument now fine, but don't try and re-write history when we have access to what you just said lol.
Wait you think the Pels belong in that group?
Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:38 am to Crewz
Realistically, go the Nets route with KD/Pierce. Give multiple unprotected future firsts to Chicago for Jimmy Butler with Tyreke. Mortgage 2nd round picks to dump Ajinca.
Sign Batum into the cap space, which should be easier with a Holiday/Butler/Davis trio already in place.
Holiday/Frazier
Butler/Hield
Batum/QPon
Davis/DC
Asik/??
If not Butler, trade the 17/19/21 unprotected firsts for the best player you can get back in return.
Sign Batum into the cap space, which should be easier with a Holiday/Butler/Davis trio already in place.
Holiday/Frazier
Butler/Hield
Batum/QPon
Davis/DC
Asik/??
If not Butler, trade the 17/19/21 unprotected firsts for the best player you can get back in return.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:44 am to ShamelessPel
quote:What?! How has that worked for the Nets? It may work well for the Celtics though.
Realistically, go the Nets route with KD/Pierce. Give multiple unprotected future firsts to Chicago for Jimmy Butler with Tyreke. Mortgage 2nd round picks to dump Ajinca. Sign Batum into the cap space, which should be easier with a Holiday/Butler/Davis trio already in place. Holiday/Frazier Butler/Hield Batum/QPon Davis/DC Asik/?? If not Butler, trade the 17/19/21 unprotected firsts for the best player you can get back in return.
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 10:45 am
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:01 pm to ssgtiger
quote:
Wait you think the Pels belong in that group?
In the group of about 7 teams that are playoff contenders for the 5-8 seed? Yes.
The inference from that poster was we are not. Until he backtracked.
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:23 pm to ShamelessPel
The Jrue trade was terrible day 1. One lotto pick was understandable but the protection on that second pick was a huge joke. Once we made that trade trading for Tyreke was necessary. You don't give up a top 3 pick protected pick and expect to make the playoffs with Rolo/AD/Aminu/Gordon/Jrue. Once the Jrue trade happen it was all down hill.
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:27 pm to NOLA Bronco
so i've been thinking about this a bunch the past few days... and if someone has to die for us to make the playoffs, i think we should offer up NOSHAU. he is the Byeong Sun here. Everybody cool with that? We kill NOSHAU, and we make the playoffs. Deal?
If the pizzas don't come...
If the pizzas don't come...
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:30 pm to Crewz
Use all the cap space to buy weapons. If I'm dying whoever the NWO like power that appointed me gm/soon to be taking me out is coming with me(because we're not making the playoffs). 
Eta: I guess you could tell KD about your plight and hope saving your life meant enough to come play here.
Eta: I guess you could tell KD about your plight and hope saving your life meant enough to come play here.
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:34 pm to NOLA Bronco
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In the group of about 7 teams that are playoff contenders for the 5-8 seed? Yes. The inference from that poster was we are not. Until he backtracked.
You're still going on about something I didn't say and then failed to call you out on until a page later?
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:53 pm to theducks
Pretending posts don't exist doesn't make them go away. He asked. I responded. No need to come back in here and rehash the same BS you spewed yesterday.
You made a dumb fricking inference within your drive-by potshot toward this fanbase and when challenged proceeded to get beaten around like a groupies pussy. Take the L and move on.
You made a dumb fricking inference within your drive-by potshot toward this fanbase and when challenged proceeded to get beaten around like a groupies pussy. Take the L and move on.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:58 pm to Crewz
if my life depends on it, 10-15 players from Dallas, Houston, Memphis, Utah and Sacramento would mysteriously disappear
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:59 pm to NOLA Bronco
I'm racking up W's every time I engage in conversation with you.
Even some pels fans agree with me (shocking, isn't it?)
Even some pels fans agree with me (shocking, isn't it?)
Posted on 6/27/16 at 1:06 pm to theducks
You made 2 garbage points.
No one is going to presume everything else you say is garbage. Skeptical, sure, but opinions live and die on their own merits and strength.
When you dropped that line of discussion you've been fine.
Just don't come into another teams thread making ridiculous inferences and assertions and talking down to the members. Had you just stuck to some of your subsequent behavior outside of that crap you wouldn't get called out.
No one is going to presume everything else you say is garbage. Skeptical, sure, but opinions live and die on their own merits and strength.
When you dropped that line of discussion you've been fine.
Just don't come into another teams thread making ridiculous inferences and assertions and talking down to the members. Had you just stuck to some of your subsequent behavior outside of that crap you wouldn't get called out.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 1:14 pm to NOSHAU
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What?! How has that worked for the Nets? It may work well for the Celtics though.
Dingleberry. It's make the playoffs next year or die. The Nets got bounced in the second round that year.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 1:17 pm to patendedgmf
Or, there's always the guy with the fake inside info or ridiculous trade machine proposals. Last inside info at draft time-
quote:
patendedgmf
hearing that it is more than just smoke....
nothing will happen till we are on the clock.
Dunn or Murray have to be there to make it happen.
the Lakers want Jamal Murray. 76ers want Kris Dunn or D'angelo Russell.
They prefer Kris Dunn, no baggage.
If Murray is there at 1.6 and Dunn is gone, we send Jamal Murray to Lakers for D'angelo Russell, and then D'angelo Russell + Alexis Ajinca to 76ers for Jahlil Okafor.
If Dunn is there at 1.6, we send Kris Dunn + Alexis Ajinca to 76ers for Jahlil Okafor.
Us being involved is the backup plan for Philadelphia if Boston decides to hold at 1.3, and take Jaylen Brown. That seems to be their pick right now, or a deal for 1.3 to be Kris Dunn and swap for Okafor will be done before the draft tomorrow.
If Boston takes Kris Dunn to keep, Dragan Bender goes to Phoenix, and Jamal Murray ends up being taken by Minnesota we will select Jaylen Brown at 1.6. (yuck)
If the draft goes: 1. Simmons, 2. Ingram, 3. Dunn, 4. Brown, 5. Murray we'll trade Dragan Bender for a veteran. The idea of Milwaukee taking Asik+Bender for Greg Monroe is real.
Yield for Hield has officially come to a halt. Doesn't look like it's happening.
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 6/27/16 at 1:31 pm to NOSHAU
quote:that guy is AWESOME!
ridiculous trade machine proposals
i didn't mean that i had inside info... just meant i was READING (hearing) it online
last minute, all the trade rumblings turned from being about Okafor to Noel...
if you watched the draft, there were a few "leaked" Noel offers... something changed last minute that we may find out about later.
i could NOT share the stuff i find or think... but on weekday game nights when we are hunting for lottery balls and not playoff spots, I like to think I offer a fun side too it. i definitely post the best tangential gifs
i picked you randomly for sacrifice because you had just posted, and I knew you'd see it... but NOW for sure you are going up on the alter! ;)
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 6/27/16 at 1:33 pm to NOSHAU
Lol I forgot all about that post.
For all the shite he spewed he literally got the one thing wrong he couldn't wiggle himself out of if he tried to defend himself.
Murray was there and no Russell and Hield clearly was our guy between the two.
For all the shite he spewed he literally got the one thing wrong he couldn't wiggle himself out of if he tried to defend himself.
Murray was there and no Russell and Hield clearly was our guy between the two.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 1:34 pm to NOLA Bronco
Oh ok, it was just speculation on his part. Ok. Still a bit silly to assume that far into rumors.
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