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hendersonshands
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re: Woj: 16 Players Have Tested Positive for Covid
If you don’t think Trump is a huge part of this, you’re the one being disingenuous. The Democrats have been a-holes plenty of times during this, but if Trump had just put on the fricking mask we’d be better off.

Pence won’t even say the word mask during his briefing right now.


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re: Woj: 16 Players Have Tested Positive for Covid
We have a Poli Board for political discussion, and there are plenty of COVID-19 threads (including a sticky) in the OT.

Can we keep this board about basketball?


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re: Woj: 16 Players Have Tested Positive for Covid
I edited my post to reflect that this has been hyper politicized by both sides. Claiming as someone like Bronc does that one side is the beacon of light and fact and the other side is just murdering 100s of thousands is completely disingenuous.

This is a hyper politicized event.


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re: Woj: 16 Players Have Tested Positive for Covid
The actual reality is that this is far less serious and deadly than fear mongers make it out to be for the express purpose of an election

While at the same time it’s more serious than the do absolutely nothing crowd wants it to be and could have been handled better with basic information and mitigation at the beginning.

If we had protected nursing homes early on we would be looking at a vastly different result.


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hendersonshands
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re: Woj: 16 Players Have Tested Positive for Covid
I agree that it's been both sides politicizing this pandemic for sure.


My point is that the president has a higher level of responsibility here. The fact that he's more interested in trying to make a political statement by not wearing a mask is crazy to me.


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re: Woj: 16 Players Have Tested Positive for Covid
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and some 85 year olds might die a year earlier than they otherwise would. We’re so soft as a society


You serious dude?


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re: Woj: 16 Players Have Tested Positive for Covid
The information on masks has been all over the place. We have been told by authorities they work, don't work, definitely don't work, then they work.

I wear mine to be respectful of others.


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re: Woj: 16 Players Have Tested Positive for Covid
The different messages were all from early on in the pandemic. The consistent consensus for a while has been wearing a mask significantly lowers the risk of transmission between people. It's honestly not even that much of a burden to wear one for the 30 minutes you're at a grocery store.

But if you ask the politards, it's the first step in implementing Sharia Law.


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re: Woj: 16 Players Have Tested Positive for Covid
I think one of the biggest problems was that messaging got screwed up big time by the riots.

Once they started, and it coincided with states starting to open back up, "health officials" and government loons went out of their way to say the protests were perfectly fine and "more important" than other events so don't worry about them (re: Avegno, Jennifer).

When normal non-lunatics saw the insanity of this messaging they said "frick it" and went out themselves to bars and restaurants.

If messaging had stayed consistent throughout: DO NOT GATHER IN LARGE GROUPS, social distance, etc...then maybe we aren't where we are.

Science has to stay objective and has to stay consistent until new information presents itself that allows it to evolve.


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re: Woj: 16 Players Have Tested Positive for Covid
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I edited my post to reflect that this has been hyper politicized by both sides. Claiming as someone like Bronc does that one side is the beacon of light and fact and the other side is just murdering 100s of thousands is completely disingenuous.

This is a hyper politicized event.


One side called out Trump’s grab for xenophobia as his only real response to the virus, were a bit slow on the uptick on banning air travel, the other side is making out the bipartisan scientific consensus on how to minimize death and spread within the country as a negative identity trait to be mocked and ridiculed. No matter how many straw men or rationalizations you bend over backwards to use, both sides are not equal and not equally culpable here.

The president could have easily shown true leadership, and likely saved countless lives and economic hardship as we struggle to control the virus as other developed countries continue to make much more significant headway, by simply showing a unity around the scientific consensus. Dude could have easily gotten every living president to either get together for a photo-op or a Zoom call to show a unified front about wearing masks and social distancing and instead made it a wedge issue so I now you have politards calling facemasks the fall of America, and we wouldn’t be having to go fricking backwards because governors felt pressure to open up too early and people want to make masks, or lack thereof, a tribal identifier.

And concern about not having any sports this year wouldn’t even be a thing because we would have had the virus under better control.


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Fun Bunch
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re: Woj: 16 Players Have Tested Positive for Covid
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both sides are not equal and not equally culpable here.



Of course they aren't in your mind, because you are a hyper partisan individual that can't find the fault in "your team".

If you can't see hyper-politicizing by both sides, then I don't know what to tell you.


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Of course they aren't in your mind, because you are a hyper partisan individual that can't find the fault in "your team".


So far the case you made to claim an equivalency is Democrats.....called Trump a xenophobe(which he is).

The problem isn’t me not seeing through my partisanship, it’s that you seem so drowned in yours that you are doing mental gymnasitics to equivocate months of anemic federal leadership and Balkanizing around bipartisan measures of safety with Democrats saying mean shite to score political points. There is not a metric you could find where the latter generated the level of harm the former did. So, no, they are not equal. As much as you want to both sides this situation it isn’t.
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re: Woj: 16 Players Have Tested Positive for Covid
Yes. The CDC estimates the fatality rate for Covid overall at .4%. For healthy people under 50 it’s under .1%.

I don’t believe that no precautions should be taken. And the fact that people refuse to wear masks to the grocery store and that some states allowed full on packed to the brim bars and clubs to open, and that people attended them, is very dumb.

But the data and science gets stronger every day that in terms of severity this really is just a bad flu. It’s actually a lot less severe than a bad flu for a lot of people. It’s just a bad flu that’s more contagious than anything we’ve seen in modern history. But yes just bc it’s a “new” threat we’ve decided that dying from it is somehow worse than the million other ways people die that are preventable.

Why don’t we ban driving over 30 mph, or smoking, or eating red meat, or drinking alcohol? All behaviors that over time kill vastly more people than behavior that spreads covid. Yet you would never consider shutting them down.
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Yes. The CDC estimates the fatality rate for Covid overall at .4%.


.246% last time i checked.


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Fun Bunch
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re: Woj: 16 Players Have Tested Positive for Covid
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The problem isn’t me not seeing through my partisanship, it’s that you seem so drowned in yours that you are doing mental gymnasitics to equivocate months of anemic federal leadership and Balkanizing around bipartisan measures of safety with Democrats saying mean shite to score political points. There is not a metric you could find where the latter generated the level of harm the former did. So, no, they are not equal. As much as you want to both sides this situation it isn’t.


You realize I could completely twist this to make the democrats seem MUCH worse than republicans?

It is completely subjective.


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re: Woj: 16 Players Have Tested Positive for Covid
I think I'm being pretty fair and even handed here. I don't think you realize how far to one side you are.

I mean, you tried to argue on here that protests were perfectly fine during this pandemic.


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You realize I could completely twist this to make the democrats seem MUCH worse than republicans?

It is completely subjective.


So now your argument is you could contort facts to try and make the equivalency work better....Alright

At the end of the day no one had a greater capacity and responsibility than the president. Full stop. And instead of heeding early warnings and demonstrating national unity around the scientific consensus, a power he wholly had at is his disposal early on, taking aggressive and coordinated measures to combat the virus, he abdicated or outright undercut efforts through malfeasance and maliciousness at every turn. He used it to selfishly extend his culture wars and in that behavior made it harder for those even in his own party to do the right things and remain diligent in abiding by his own CDC guidelines.

Feel free to try and contort the record in any way you want, but trying to make anything the Democrats did as equivalent to that is going to either require turning your brain off or gaslighting.
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Bronc
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I mean, you tried to argue on here that protests were perfectly fine during this pandemic.


So now we are just rewriting history to try and go the ad hominem route huh?



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re: Woj: 16 Players Have Tested Positive for Covid
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So now your argument is you could contort facts to try and make the equivalency work better


You definitely missed the point, since I'm saying that it is exactly what you did.

Both sides play this game. The reality is that no one performed particularly well.


Bronc
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You definitely missed the point, since I'm saying that it is exactly what you did.

Both sides play this game. The reality is that no one performed particularly well.



You keep accusing me of things but not really demonstrating either how I did so or what the correct framing would be. What specifically were the Democrats capable of and actively did that had an equally harmful national effect as to what the most powerful man in the country was able to do with the most powerful office in the most powerful country?
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