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Woj: 16 Players Have Tested Positive for Covid
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16 of 302 players tested have tested positive.

Worth keeping an eye on as Florida continues see an exponential rise in cases(nearly 9000 today), an uptick in hospitalizations, and a rise in positivity rates.

And in that context 5% positivity rate is not great. But if they catch that before the bubble it could be fine.

On the other side, downvote away, but I think it is increasingly more likely than not that this season gets cancelled.
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I think it is increasingly more likely than not that this season gets cancelled.


That doesn't make sense given the bubble concept and the lowering mortality rate.

The whole purpose of the bubble concept is to identify cases, make sure they recover, and then minimize interactions.

They are infinitely more safe in the bubble than outside.


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Maybe I'm simple minded but the fact that these dudes are rich as frick and most live in big cities, these numbers aren't so bad.


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A 5% positive rate is pretty low in most urban areas of the country. Louisiana's has been hovering between 4-7% for awhile.

The danger zone per the CDC is 10%.


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That doesn't make sense given the bubble concept and the lowering mortality rate.

The whole purpose of the bubble concept is to identify cases, make sure they recover, and then minimize interactions.

They are infinitely more safe in the bubble than outside.


We’ll see.

I mean they are certainly safer than if they are roaming the streets in reopened places that are seeing a rise in cases, but if the bubble is going to allow staff to come in and out in an enviorenment with exponential growth going on, it’s not really any more safe than these guys staying home, locking down, and social distancing.

I like how the Pels are positioned so I selfishly want to see the games.

However I assume there is more to the NBA’s calculation than just safety. Which is more where that thought of cancellation comes from. This is an international brand that will be attempting to play a sport(a non-essential business) in a state that is ballooning in cases, and in all likelihood, a rise in deaths in the coming weeks as those initially infected worsen and it spreads to older family members. There is a very real possibility of a potential PR nightmare, especially if cases sneak in and they are forced to either shut it down again and get called reckless for not seeing the writing, or they barrel forward and risk further unrest from staff and players(especially the ones that know this season is largely pointless for them). Where things become less about the games and more about the Covid drama.


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Dr. Fauci supported and endorsed the NBA's bubble concept.


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I mean they are certainly safer than if they are roaming the streets in reopened places that are seeing a rise in cases, but if the bubble is going to allow staff to come in and out in an enviorenment with exponential growth going on, it’s not really any more safe than these guys staying home, locking down, and social distancing.


I mean, that is just wrong. They will have a ton of safety measures in place and are getting tested constantly.

As opposed to not getting tested at all, almost all of them being asymptomatic as the VAST majority of people getting this are, and spreading it to family and friends and others.

16 players had it and I'm going to assume none of them knew they had it or had symptoms at all.

There's no argument against the bubble being much "safer" than elsewhere, if we are classifying "safer" as not getting covid.


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I can’t believe people are still treating news of covid cases as a sign of the impending apocalypse.

Also it’s incredulous that people are now trying to treat multi billion dollar entities that provide direct livelihoods for tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of people, as well as valuable psychological and cathartic relief for millions, is deemed non essential.

Bc some athletes might get a cold and some 85 year olds might die a year earlier than they otherwise would. We’re so soft as a society


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and in all likelihood, a rise in deaths in the coming weeks as those initially infected worsen and it spreads to older family members.


There isn't a lot of evidence for this recently. Cases have been "spiking" in a lot of places (ie: more young people are getting tested for a variety of reasons, cases are not actually spiking drastically), and mortality rates have not risen drastically anywhere recently. Hospitalizations and ventilators really haven't either.


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I mean, that is just wrong. They will have a ton of safety measures in place and are getting tested constantly.


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16 players had it and I'm going to assume none of them knew they had it or had symptoms at all.


I mean we don’t know, but I assume that is probably correct. Which relates to my point about how this decision is and likely always will be more about the internal and external pressures and concerns, be it coming from players, staff, or, most importantly, the image of the NBA brand under worsening conditions in the place they are designating their attempt to present a return to some normalcy.

As to how safe they are vs just staying home, on net you are probably right because many would probably just go out and party or whatever, but for many that were self isolating and already have some reservations, being forced into a situation like this, even with all the precautions, would not be safer for them and that could be a place of friction if things don’t go smoothly.


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I understand that "optics" from the media could force them to rethink it.

But it wouldn't be based on logic or reason.


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Bronc
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There isn't a lot of evidence for this recently. Cases have been "spiking" in a lot of places (ie: more young people are getting tested for a variety of reasons, cases are not actually spiking drastically), and mortality rates have not risen drastically anywhere recently. Hospitalizations and ventilators really haven't either.


rises in death always lag spikes in new cases for obvious reasons.

And everywhere doesn’t matter, what matters is in a given area. Idaho having a ton of excess ICU beds and ventilators does nothing if Houston or Miami is reaching capacity.

Hospitalizations are on the rise in Florida again, positivity rate continues to climb(which means it’s not simply more testing) and many are worried about reaching capacity and exceeding it in the coming weeks(for instance my Aunt works for Mayo in Jacksonville and they are already starting the process of implementing their excess capacity plan becuase they expect to run out of their current ICU beds in the next few days). The contrast of that with the NBA trying to play games is something Adam Silver has to be considering and considering strongly.

It’s ok to think differently, that is just my feelings right now. There are also A LOT of economic reasons to try, so that is why I didn’t say it’s overwhelmingly likely they dont do it.


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I can’t believe people are still treating news of covid cases as a sign of the impending apocalypse.


Of course they are. We started throwing tons of tax dollars at it so the issue became politicized. When that happens people stop looking for solutions and start looking for ways to prolong and maximize their cut.


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I get wanting to be cautious and being worried about this virus. I think most people on this website are morons about not wanting to wear masks and shit, but I also think you're kind of leaning into the fear porn. The NBA completely expected players to test positive. That's why they're going to be hanging around for a month in the bubble before the games even begin.

There's a chance that this season does get canceled, but it won't be because they didn't expect positive tests. It'll come from outside pressure.


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Hospitalizations are on the rise in Florida again, positivity rate continues to climb(which means it’s not simply more testing) and many are worried about reaching capacity and exceeding it in the coming weeks(for instance my Aunt works for Mayo in Jacksonville and they are already starting the process of implementing their excess capacity plan becuase they expect to run out of their current ICU beds in the next few days). The contrast of that with the NBA trying to play games is something Adam Silver has to be considering and considering strongly.




I don't see why the comparison is even necessary. Like is the NBA going to be taking resources away from fighting the virus?

If anything, they'll be making a sacrifice to give us something to do while we sit on our asses in our houses like the experts want.


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There's a chance that this season does get canceled, but it won't be because they didn't expect positive tests. It'll come from outside pressure.


That is exactly what I am saying here.

It is less the health inside the bubble than the negative brand exposure they could be faced with to go with a potential worsening internal morale that gets dragged into the public.


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being forced into a situation like this


None of them are being forced, they can opt out, and a few players have done so.


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Of course they are. We started throwing tons of tax dollars at it so the issue became politicized. When that happens people stop looking for solutions and start looking for ways to prolong and maximize their cut.


It got politicized because of the president and his cult, nothing more.

When he decided to take what was once a bipartisan consensus amongst left and right wing academia and the scientific community on how to deal with this virus, including in his administration, and turn it into a cultural wedge issue that signals that consensus as the enemy. Where wearing masks became a partisan issue and social distancing became for pussies.


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and did any of the 16 that tested positive have any symptoms at all, or is that information not something we need to know?


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It got politicized because of the president and his cult, nothing more.


Incredible lack of self awareness and totally disingenuous. It has been hyper politicized by both sides from the beginning.

Multiple high ranking Democrat officials accused Trump of xenophobia and fear mongering in February, and then when it was apparent this was spreading, changed positions and deleted tweets.

Both sides have done it.
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