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re: With all the trade talk on here and FB groups.Shouldnt finding the head coach come first?
Posted on 9/21/20 at 3:49 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 9/21/20 at 3:49 pm to TigerinATL
Batum is done. Only appealing thing is his expiring contract
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Posted on 9/21/20 at 3:51 pm to TeddyPadillac
I'm looking at this through our FO's POV not through what I want. Do you think our FO will expect our core to exit in the first rd the next few years? The reason we brought in Langdon and etc.. was to find those solid players WITHOUT having to give up our assets for picks.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 3:57 pm to Dantheman504
And from our FO POV they would never trade Jrue and his value for #2 and Andrew Wiggins unless they wanted Wiggins to be a key piece on this team. The #2 isn't worth it at that point. Having 26 million cap space would be more worth it. Even if Jrue walked, the #2 wouldn't be worth 3 years of Wiggins at 31 mil overall, not for what we have already.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 4:01 pm to Dantheman504
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It just isn't worth it to trade Jrue for less cap space and not as good of a player. If Batum agrees to re sign here for a good price then I'm all for it. But i'd rather Jrue walk and have 26 mil cap space over taking a chance with #2 and being stuck with Wiggins for several years at a high price.
cap space doesn't work like that.
We are going to be an over the cap team this offseason more than likely, unless we unload JJ and Lonzo and take back draft capital instead of salary.
And since this cap space is so important to you, give me a realistic option for us next offseason with this cap space you want to have? Do you realize that there will be many teams that will have max space next offseason? Teams that are actually good, like the Jazz, Heat, Raptors, Lakers, Mavs.
You know who had cap space and couldn't use it, Cleveland Lebron teams, then they used it on shitty players and had none.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 4:07 pm to TeddyPadillac
Once again..from the view of our FO that 26 million going forward is more valuable. It doesn't necessarily mean a player this year. You have to look at players we can get the next few years. We can't do that if we are stuck with Wiggins for several years. Do you not see that? It isn't even about landing that guy or any specific person this year. Its about having the FLEXIBILITY. If you lock up Wiggins you don't have that and are stuck with your core no matter how good/ bad they play. 100% Lonzo or JJ or both will be gone and we aren't going into the tax yet.
This post was edited on 9/21/20 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 9/21/20 at 4:13 pm to Dantheman504
I've said several times we trade JJ for role players and we trade Lonzo for a pick or role player. Then we can actually test those players out with Jrue and our core. From there we have more valuable future assets from JJ/ Lonzo AND still have Jrue to keep, trade, or let walk.
You want to trade our most valuable asset for someone of less value and be stuck with those results for several years. That's not the way you do it man and our FO knows that.
You want to trade our most valuable asset for someone of less value and be stuck with those results for several years. That's not the way you do it man and our FO knows that.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 4:18 pm to Dantheman504
All this talk about Jrue for Wiggins and #2.
There's no way Griff does this trade with taking Wiggins back, it would likely be a 3 teamer with Wiggins going elsewhere.
I've been a big proponent of trading Jrue to GS, but I also don't think he will re-sign for anything less than a max deal with us, which is why I want to trade him. Getting back #8 and the future Minnesota pick from GS while gaining 26 million in cap (if we renounce players) would be a good trade return imo.
IF we do resign Jrue for say a 4/100, then that would completely flip what I would want to do. I would then look to make trades for compete now moves, the 1st of which would be JJ to Milwaukee for Bledsoe and the Pacers 1st (with 2 2nds going back to Milwaukee). That would give us the defensive backcourt we thought we would have with Ball and Jrue.
Regardless what happens, we need to move Ball, we cannot be the team to pay him
There's no way Griff does this trade with taking Wiggins back, it would likely be a 3 teamer with Wiggins going elsewhere.
I've been a big proponent of trading Jrue to GS, but I also don't think he will re-sign for anything less than a max deal with us, which is why I want to trade him. Getting back #8 and the future Minnesota pick from GS while gaining 26 million in cap (if we renounce players) would be a good trade return imo.
IF we do resign Jrue for say a 4/100, then that would completely flip what I would want to do. I would then look to make trades for compete now moves, the 1st of which would be JJ to Milwaukee for Bledsoe and the Pacers 1st (with 2 2nds going back to Milwaukee). That would give us the defensive backcourt we thought we would have with Ball and Jrue.
Regardless what happens, we need to move Ball, we cannot be the team to pay him
This post was edited on 9/21/20 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 9/21/20 at 4:19 pm to Dantheman504
I guess I'll ask..
The #2 pick. If it would be Wiseman would that be a good pick since we need a big body underneath?
The #2 pick. If it would be Wiseman would that be a good pick since we need a big body underneath?
Posted on 9/21/20 at 4:29 pm to Soggymoss
quote:And you think Milwaukee would do that trade?
the 1st of which would be JJ to Milwaukee for Bledsoe and the Pacers 1st (with 2 2nds going back to Milwaukee).
Posted on 9/21/20 at 4:42 pm to NOSHAU
Quickly.
They absolutely have to put shooters around Giannis, and that gets them the shooter they need and saves them 6 million. They won't find a better trade out there, and they don't have much in the way of assets.
They absolutely have to put shooters around Giannis, and that gets them the shooter they need and saves them 6 million. They won't find a better trade out there, and they don't have much in the way of assets.
This post was edited on 9/21/20 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 9/21/20 at 5:22 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Surely they could get more for Bledsoe and a 1st than JJ.
Quickly.
They absolutely have to put shooters around Giannis, and that gets them the shooter they need and saves them 6 million. They won't find a better trade out there, and they don't have much in the way of assets.
I think Bledsoe could end up being part of a deal to get CP3 to Milwaukee.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 5:24 pm to NOSHAU
They would be hard pressed to put together the salary needed for CP3 without gutting the entire team.
And from rumors around the league Bledsoe is seen as a negative contract (not really sure why)
And from rumors around the league Bledsoe is seen as a negative contract (not really sure why)
Posted on 9/21/20 at 5:34 pm to Dantheman504
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Once again..from the view of our FO that 26 million going forward is more valuable.
That’s a stupid point of view imo.
Give me a realistic FA pickup with that money.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 5:49 pm to TeddyPadillac
Therein lies the issue. If you trade Jrue in a lopsided trade to gain cap space, you realistically are not looking to compete this season. At that point do you use the cap space on a FA (in a weak FA class), or make trades to take on final years of salary in exchange for future draft assets?
Or could we use the 26 saved from Jrue, and the 7-9 million in space we would have (after renouncing everyone but Ingram) and try to convince Van Vleet and Montrez Harrel to sign for say 4/80 and 3/45?
Or could we use the 26 saved from Jrue, and the 7-9 million in space we would have (after renouncing everyone but Ingram) and try to convince Van Vleet and Montrez Harrel to sign for say 4/80 and 3/45?
This post was edited on 9/21/20 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 9/21/20 at 6:08 pm to TigerinATL
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So I can see him keep roughly this same level of productivity even as he approaches 35 during his extension.
My issue with Jrue is I don’t see how we get that third piece while paying him 25+ mil, unless you’re signing him to just trade him in the future.
I also don’t want to pay Lonzo more than ~15 mil per year (give or take 1-2), and like you I think his place in this league is also a 3 and D guard, but he does give something on top of that with his transition facilitation. I think he could be a really good role player for this team if he would embrace that role.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 6:08 pm to Soggymoss
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Montrez Harrel
Posted on 9/21/20 at 6:15 pm to Epic Cajun
What's so bad about the reigning 6th man of the year?
Harrel and Zion can play together, and Harrel can be the primary backup, plus play the 5.
Harrel and Zion can play together, and Harrel can be the primary backup, plus play the 5.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 6:21 pm to Epic Cajun
Well if we wouldn't be able to sign any other player that can compete at his level or would want to play here, then yeah the most logical thing to do is re sign him and look to trade him. That is a lot better then being stuck with a player at 31 million with less trade value and not as good on our team.
Harrel is a good player but we need a true 7 footer at Center. I don't see too much difference between him and Favors other than hustle. Both are undersized and doesn't help our overall scheme.
Harrel is a good player but we need a true 7 footer at Center. I don't see too much difference between him and Favors other than hustle. Both are undersized and doesn't help our overall scheme.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 6:27 pm to TeddyPadillac
I don't have to and I can't answer that until we do something with JJ/ Lonzo. Please tell me why it is a stupid point of view? Because we would have 26 million and not know what to do with it??
You think that's more stupid than emotionally spending 31 million in cap for 1 draft pick and no plan for that player?? Lol
You think that's more stupid than emotionally spending 31 million in cap for 1 draft pick and no plan for that player?? Lol
Posted on 9/21/20 at 6:45 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Not really. Bledsoe, Hill and Ilyasova are enough salary. It is the picks/assets that may be more difficult to accumulate to appease the Thunder.
They would be hard pressed to put together the salary needed for CP3 without gutting the entire team.
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