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Posted on 10/13/23 at 11:42 am to Dantheman504
“I forgot the part where the best way to build chemistry on a new offense is to feed 1 player in the paint all game.
Wouldn’t the best way to build chemistry be for the guy who is already gonna get the ball in the paint 20 times to pass and set up everyone else?”
- feeding Zion is by far the most efficient form of offense in the NBA. So yes you feed it to him in the paint and play through that.
Wouldn’t the best way to build chemistry be for the guy who is already gonna get the ball in the paint 20 times to pass and set up everyone else?”
- feeding Zion is by far the most efficient form of offense in the NBA. So yes you feed it to him in the paint and play through that.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 11:43 am to Pels_Yaz
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BI has had a rough summer especially with Team USA. I think part of the problem is BI still thinks hes the best player on this team when hes clearly not. I think this coaching staff also wants BI to be the best player on this team as well. Large part due to his demeanor, relationships with coaches. The best version of this team was point Zion and when the offense went through him. If we keep trying to force the offense through BI this team will struggle. I honestly think there’s a minor power dynamic between the two and until BI concedes to Zion when both are healthy this team will struggle.
100% spot on
Posted on 10/13/23 at 11:48 am to Pels_Yaz
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The best version of this team was point Zion and when the offense went through him.
I don't know about this. When we had that late season push and made that playoff run, Ingram was pretty special. Zion wasn't there. So the team rallied around him. If we can merge that Ingram with last December's Zion, that is a deadly combination. I just don't know if that is possible.
This is Ingram's contract year. So I expect he wants to shine.
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until BI concedes to Zion when both are healthy this team will struggle.
I don't know if he can or should do that. It similar to Tatum/Green. Maybe it's best just giving each half the game apiece..
Posted on 10/13/23 at 11:53 am to brmark70816
I will disagree here. The BI run was special but also lucky as heck due to the opponents. I personally think point Zion is just much more efficient and deadly offense. Even against elite teams- point Zion is difficult to defend because of Zion.
I dont think BI will ever concede. Partly why maybe Griff wanted to break them up in the offseason. I get the Tatum/Brown comparisons but at the end I feel like Brown conceded Tatum was better; well at least the coaching staff did. I cant see this organization conceding and saying this is Zions team. They rather trade Zion then do that.
I dont think BI will ever concede. Partly why maybe Griff wanted to break them up in the offseason. I get the Tatum/Brown comparisons but at the end I feel like Brown conceded Tatum was better; well at least the coaching staff did. I cant see this organization conceding and saying this is Zions team. They rather trade Zion then do that.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 11:55 am to Dantheman504
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I forgot the part where the best way to build chemistry on a new offense is to feed 1 player in the paint all game.
Who said anything about feeding him in the paint all game. The best way to build chemistry on offense is to run your best offense, and that clearly is running through Zion like Denver runs through Jokic.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:02 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Just cause he played hard against magic
Just b/c he posted numbers that looked better doesnt' mean he played harder.
Paolo's easy drive past him and dunk over JV was a perfect example of just lazy don't give a shite defensive attitude. That defensive effort was pathetic, from BI as well.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:03 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:My idea of a successful preseason:
Jesus fricking Christ
It's the fricking preseason. I don't give a frick if Zion and b.i. are giving 100%
Was Zion in the lineup? Yes
Did Zion get hurt? No
That's all I care about for Zion in this preseason.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:05 pm to Pels_Yaz
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The BI run was special but also lucky as heck due to the opponents.
Don't do that. He deserves his praise for that and was just an incredible as anything Zion has ever done. He showed out at a critical time and then some more in the playoffs.
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Even against elite teams- point Zion is difficult to defend because of Zion.
There is no empirical proof of this. It's based on small sample sizes. It works in stretches. I believe it's matchup dependant. We have to be able to adapt and run other sets as well. Others that highlight other players strengths.
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dont think BI will ever concede.
It's a contract year. You're telling him to take a diminished role to someone that's played less than 30 games the past two seasons combined. You'd have to be a hell of a salesman to convince him of that. Plus Zion would have to actually step up and become a leader..
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:07 pm to Dantheman504
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We all know what Zion, CJ, Bi can do
they've played like 14 games together. No we don't know what they can do together.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:13 pm to TigerinATL
Zion played 22 minutes and took 3 shots.
Jokic played a preseason game last year where he played 15 minutes and was 0 for 1 from the field.
Wondering if folks think the Nuggets fans should have been freaking out about Jokic taking 1 shot and making 0 in a 15 minute preseason run.
Jokic played a preseason game last year where he played 15 minutes and was 0 for 1 from the field.
Wondering if folks think the Nuggets fans should have been freaking out about Jokic taking 1 shot and making 0 in a 15 minute preseason run.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:13 pm to brmark70816
Agree with you mostly and will say yes the BI run was special but still not convinced we aren’t better suited to run through point Zion- although not sure he can do that through a whole season.
On your last point I completely agree and thats why I think this year the team will struggle. Both those players want the spotlight and big season for both of them this year. It’s crucial for both of them not just BI. But at the same point we have to do whats best for the team as well. Facts are Zion is under contract long term and is the better player even if hes not a leader or stays healthy. Ingram has all the intangibles off court but hes due a big contract and on the court he isn’t our best player. We will win a lot of games, contend if we run through Zion and stay healthy. I dont think we do that with BI as much as I like his intagibles. I really have no clue how Griffin will deal with this. I think his solution was getting rid of Zion and bringing in Scoot- not sure what plan B is.
On your last point I completely agree and thats why I think this year the team will struggle. Both those players want the spotlight and big season for both of them this year. It’s crucial for both of them not just BI. But at the same point we have to do whats best for the team as well. Facts are Zion is under contract long term and is the better player even if hes not a leader or stays healthy. Ingram has all the intangibles off court but hes due a big contract and on the court he isn’t our best player. We will win a lot of games, contend if we run through Zion and stay healthy. I dont think we do that with BI as much as I like his intagibles. I really have no clue how Griffin will deal with this. I think his solution was getting rid of Zion and bringing in Scoot- not sure what plan B is.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:16 pm to shel311
Please dont compare this organization to the Nuggets. Thats an insult to the world champs. We are miles away from being that competent and competitive type of organization with healthy highly competitive players. Jokic and the coaching staff of that team have a huge trust built up that Zion and this pelicans team clearly dont.
This post was edited on 10/13/23 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:17 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:We talking about Zion's brand in relation to how well he plays in a preseason game right now
Do you think this in any way helps his brand
Pels Talk is 100% turning into the Rant.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:19 pm to shel311
Because his brand is imprtant to him in regards to his play on the court.
Here comes “shell” nitpicking parts of arguments to try to prove his point before he loses it and goes berserk as usual. Its like he tries really hard to be optimistic until he cant stand it anymore lol
Here comes “shell” nitpicking parts of arguments to try to prove his point before he loses it and goes berserk as usual. Its like he tries really hard to be optimistic until he cant stand it anymore lol
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:24 pm to mhasen1
quote:But Denver, and other teams, don't really prioritize dunning their best offensively sets in preseason games.
The best way to build chemistry on offense is to run your best offense, and that clearly is running through Zion like Denver runs through Jokic.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:26 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Preseason doesn't matter for his brand... at all.
Because his brand is imprtant to him in regards to his play on the court.
quote:Your melt has begun
Here comes “shell” nitpicking parts of arguments to try to prove his point before he loses it and goes berserk as usual. Its like he tries really hard to be optimistic until he cant stand it anymore lol
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:26 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Just b/c he posted numbers that looked better doesnt' mean he played harder.
He was battling for rebounds the whole time he was in against the Magic. He did play harder. He also looked tired really quick, like he’s in Boogie Cousins shape and needs a break after 5 minutes.
This post was edited on 10/13/23 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:30 pm to shel311
Your comparing jokic and the nuggets to zion and the pelicans. Im not the one with ridiculous arguments lol
You have no idea what matters for his brand or not. But considering Zion 3 are about to release, Im pretty sure he doesn’t want to look like shite in the preseason- so yes it does matter. But im assuming you know his personal brand manager and you’ve talked to him so you must know better lol
You have no idea what matters for his brand or not. But considering Zion 3 are about to release, Im pretty sure he doesn’t want to look like shite in the preseason- so yes it does matter. But im assuming you know his personal brand manager and you’ve talked to him so you must know better lol
Posted on 10/13/23 at 12:33 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:I know that preseason does not matter.
You have no idea what matters for his brand or not
Anyone who tries to be about 1% rational in this discussion knows this. You seem to be the only one who doesn't.
quote:You think shoe sales will be flat because of a couple of preseason games? That's amazing that someone would be actually believe that.
Im pretty sure he doesn’t want to look like shite in the preseason- so yes it does matter.
quote:Do you not realize that you're doing the literal same thing and pretending you know but then calling me out for doing what you're doing? You have to do better, bud.
But im assuming you know his personal brand manager and you’ve talked to him so you must know better lol
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