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re: Willie Green seems to be a good coach
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:34 am to LSUgrad88
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:34 am to LSUgrad88
Injuries for a coach are excuses. Coaches deal in results.
Its been about the process with Willie in the past, not the results.
He was stubborn to the point of lunacy at times, extreme over reliance on mediocre vets instead of playing young guys, and basically didn't understand modern offense and analytics in the slightest.
He seems pretty different this year. Being capable of self analysis and changing is a very good thing.
Its been about the process with Willie in the past, not the results.
He was stubborn to the point of lunacy at times, extreme over reliance on mediocre vets instead of playing young guys, and basically didn't understand modern offense and analytics in the slightest.
He seems pretty different this year. Being capable of self analysis and changing is a very good thing.
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:45 am to Lester Earl
Eyeran makes a point. If you look at the full career of every successful head coach, you can find stretches
where their ability and future were in doubt. Willie took over a team that was floundering at the time. No direction or identity.
where their ability and future were in doubt. Willie took over a team that was floundering at the time. No direction or identity.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:53 am to eyeran
quote:
Based off people with common sense not being irrational morons like half this fanbase.
We can separate the injuries and still assess the process. You think he is above critique because of injuries? The games we should’ve won still exist.
I’ll ask again - what has he done to earn the title of a good coach? And I’m not saying he is a bad coach. But to label him anything more than a wait and see is baseless.
As for Steve Kerr, he’s navigated injuries to his big 3 throughout his tenure in GS and is always in the mix outside of the Covid year. In the face of injury, turns Andrew Wiggins into an AS. Jordan Poole goes from late round pick rotational piece to $140 mil man. Kuminga steps up as a teenager and gives important playoff minutes. Even in tough times there are processes you can point to and say ok, not all was lost.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:41 am to Fun Bunch
quote:It's an explanation, not an excuse.
Injuries for a coach are excuses. Coaches deal in results.
If I told you Zion would play 29 games and BI 45 and CJ would have an injured thumb on his shooting hand just about the entire season, and then I asked you what you think our record would be, I'd bet just about anything you would not have said before the season we'd be over .500. No chance. But then it happens, and the coach underachieves?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:44 am to GynoSandberg
quote:No, but see my previous post.
You think he is above critique because of injuries?
I stand by my stance that if I told you or whoever of all the injuries we'd have last year, none of you would have predicted we'd have a winning record, so I'm falling to see how you'd also criticize him if he won more games than any of us thought.
It's all in the past and we can't go back in time, you can say we should have gone over .500 with the injury limitations, but I'll be honest, I just don't believe anyone would have predicted that.
quote:I agree with this, but I also think this mean he would not be excluded and don't agree that it means he's be less than likely to get another job.
I’ll ask again - what has he done to earn the title of a good coach? And I’m not saying he is a bad coach. But to label him anything more than a wait and see is baseless.
quote:Or the single most important reason, his stars got healthy.
As for Steve Kerr, he’s navigated injuries to his big 3 throughout his tenure in GS and is always in the mix outside of the Covid year. In the face of injury, turns Andrew Wiggins into an AS. Jordan Poole goes from late round pick rotational piece to $140 mil man. Kuminga steps up as a teenager and gives important playoff minutes. Even in tough times there are processes you can point to and say ok, not all was lost.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 9:45 am
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:53 am to GynoSandberg
quote:So Kerr, appropriately, gets nuance. Willie doesn't.
As for Steve Kerr, he’s navigated injuries to his big 3 throughout his tenure in GS and is always in the mix outside of the Covid year. In the face of injury, turns Andrew Wiggins into an AS. Jordan Poole goes from late round pick rotational piece to $140 mil man. Kuminga steps up as a teenager and gives important playoff minutes. Even in tough times there are processes you can point to and say ok, not all was lost.
Pat Kerr on the back for Wiggins, Poole, and Kuminga. No acknowledgement of Trey, Jose, Herb. And we never came close to cratering like GS did.
Taylor Jenkins is 0-5 without Ja and Adams. Spurs turned into a joke once their core aged out. Check out some of those non Lebron/Jimmy Butler years for Spoelstra.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 1:37 pm to eyeran
I’m not sure the nuance favors Willie, if we really want to dig in to it. We can give him Herb Jose and Trey. Though a herb and Jose were accomplished 4 year guys who came in and hit the ground running. Credit to whomever identified those guys. Do you believe he handled Murphy properly? Took forever to work him in
The big story with the grizzlies has been that they were 16 games over .500 without Ja in the lineup heading into this season
So what makes Green a good coach?
The big story with the grizzlies has been that they were 16 games over .500 without Ja in the lineup heading into this season
So what makes Green a good coach?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 1:45 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:I'll ask again, if I told you Zion plays 29 games, BI plays 45, and CJ has a bad thumb on his shooting hand for most of the season and you learned this before the season started, are you honestly saying you would have predicted around 43 wins?
So what makes Green a good coach?
I simply do not believe that at all. I don't think a single one of us would have predicted a winning record.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:35 pm to shel311
I think we need to give Willie credit for how hard his players play. A defensive rating of 6th last year with 4 of our 5 starters being average or worse individual defenders speaks to that.
And the “every other team has injuries” comment doesn’t do the 2022-2023 Pels situation justice.
Our 2 best players played 74 combined games. The only playoff or play-in team with less was the Phoenix Suns because one of their top 2 was on other team for the first 50 or so games.
Almost everybody else cleared 100 between their top 2. A lot of teams were at like 120 or better. It’s a lot of production to make up.
And the “every other team has injuries” comment doesn’t do the 2022-2023 Pels situation justice.
Our 2 best players played 74 combined games. The only playoff or play-in team with less was the Phoenix Suns because one of their top 2 was on other team for the first 50 or so games.
Almost everybody else cleared 100 between their top 2. A lot of teams were at like 120 or better. It’s a lot of production to make up.
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