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re: Why is Favors playing Center?

Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:38 pm to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:38 pm to
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Still no reasoning for Favors to play C..... I’m waiting.
Multiple posters have given reasons.
Posted by 50407Tiger
Member since Oct 2019
1227 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:38 pm to
I still haven’t even got an answer from the title of the thread......

The thread title says, “Why is Favors playing Center?”

Am I going to get an answer, probably not.....

WHY IS FAVORS PLAYING CENTER ON THIS PELICAN TEAM?
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 3:39 pm
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
55834 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:39 pm to
Dude he’s trolling. Just stop posting on here. OP just shut up and read this

Favors analysis
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:39 pm to
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Where are all the people calling me an idiot for their reasoning for him to play C?
They're replying to you with reasons why he can play C.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

I still haven’t even got an answer from the title of the thread......

You have

quote:

Am I going to get an answer, probably not.....

You already did

quote:

WHY IS FAVORS PLAYING CENTER ON THIS PELICAN TEAM?
Same reasons given in this thread over and over.
Posted by 50407Tiger
Member since Oct 2019
1227 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:42 pm to
Wow, this article is straight up all opinion...

Let me see one person stat why he should be playing C on this Pelican team.

There has not been an actual reason yet.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 3:43 pm
Posted by Puddinhead
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2003
4299 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:42 pm to
quote:

WHY IS FAVORS PLAYING CENTER ON THIS PELICAN TEAM?


This has been answered so many times. Just open your fricking eyes.
Posted by New City Champ
Member since Jul 2018
632 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:42 pm to
Because he's better suited to play center in Gentry's system. The Pels don't want two traditional bigs on the floor at the same time (for the most part). They want their PF to be a 4th guy who can run and be a dynamic scorer, like Zion, or someone who can stretch the floor like Melli.

Favors strengths are in the paint as a rim protector, rebounder, and someone who can roll to the rim, not as a floor stretcher or a guy who is going to get out on the break. He's shown he can guard bigger guys in the pivot, defend at the rim against guards and wings who penetrate, rebound and make the outlet pass. In Gentry's system, Favors belongs at the 5.

You have to disregard most of what you've seen from Favors in a Pels uniform. He's been slowed by injury his entire time with the club. Wait for a bigger sample size before deciding what he can do and can't do in the pivot.
Posted by TwoTimeTiger
Member since Aug 2019
729 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:43 pm to
1. His game fits the role
2. He played 65% of his minutes without Gobert or any other center on the court last year.
3. We brought him in to play Mostly center.
Posted by 50407Tiger
Member since Oct 2019
1227 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:43 pm to
See now this is good reasoning and proof that Gentry is the wrong coach.

Therefore dump Gentry and move Favors to PF.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 3:46 pm
Posted by TwoTimeTiger
Member since Aug 2019
729 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:44 pm to
frick off.

Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29755 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:45 pm to
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Check Favors stats. Gobert came into the league in 2013, that is when Favors moved from C to PF in Utah.
Before Gobert, Favors never averaged over 10 points or 8 rebounds a game for the 3 years he was in Utah.

After Gobert, with Favors at the PF he averaged 13 points the first year then 16 the next 2 years in a row with all years averaging over 8 rebounds.



Gee, i wonder why he started averaging 13ppg instead of 9ppg, since you don't want to look at adjusted stats like PER36? Could it possibly be b/c he started playing 30mpg instead of 20-23mpg? Would it be crazy to think one could score more, if they play more?
You know what also happened around that time he started getting better while playing with Gobert, even though we've shown you that he really doesn't play many minutes with him.......they got a new coach.

Just for a reference, the only seasons he averaged more than 15ppg PER36, are the first two seasons Quin Snyder was the coach, and last year. He was in Utah for 9 years, and 6 of those years he had a PER36 of right around 15ppg.


You must only have the newer versions of 2K, b/c if you had 2K2012, you'd know that Favors came to Utah and had to play with Al Jefferson, and that was a healthy all star level Al Jefferson at C, as well as Paul Milsap and Enes Kanter.
You would think, since he came into the league with the PF next to his name, he was playing a lot of PF next to legit post guys, yet didn't do that well according to your stats.

The change in his uptick of offensive efficiency seems to be much more closely linked to his new coach than anything else.

Good luck.
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
55834 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:46 pm to
quote:

Wow, this article is straight up all opinion...



There’s all statistics in it. You’re not good at this
Posted by 1ranter1
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
10692 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:47 pm to
Favors 82games page from last year

There ya go. PER 15 points higher at C and his Net PER was more than double at C. Higher FG%, reb, ast, blk, and points at C. Defense took a hit.

Can you please shut the frick up now
Posted by Aussie_Pelican
Melbourne
Member since Oct 2016
1250 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:47 pm to
Firstly he is 6'9" without shoes.
Nobody gives two fricks what an NBA player is without shoes. He is 6'10 and has a 7'4" wingspan.

He is the best defensive big on this team and sets the best screen due to his girth.

When he isn't injured and played about 10 to 15 games you'll see he is the best player at the 5. He doesn't need the ball in his hands to make an impact. Okafor and Melli do.

With Ball, Jrue, Ingram and Zion being ball dominant his will be important.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 3:49 pm
Posted by 50407Tiger
Member since Oct 2019
1227 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:48 pm to
Like I said before, with Favors at C we lost..... I guess this board is content with that.

You guys stay on your high horses about keeping him at C, the Pels will just keep losing with him in there.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:50 pm to
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Why should he play C for the Pels?


Stop with the positions and we might actually be able to discuss the issue.

The role the Pels want him to play is rim protector on defense. You seem to disagree with this because part of your reasoning that he should "play PF" is that he was "getting abused". Despite many people around the league considering him a high level rim protector, you're using 3 games he's played injured as proof that he's bad at protecting the rim, or in your parlance, "defending centers".

On offense, the PJ Browns and David Wests of the world have been replaced by importing Euro stretch 4s like Melli and Mirotic, guys that can hit 3s instead of shots in the "dumb zone". If we were having this dicussion in the 2000's your arguments would have merit, but in 2019 the league has changed too much to play Favors or really anyone in the manner you're advocating.

And if all of those structural changes weren't enough to rebut your argument, Favors is a career 38% shooter from 10-16 feet and 32% from 16-3pt. By comparison David West shot 42% and 47% from those ranges. PJ Brown shot 44% and 45%. So his track record suggests he's a homeless man's version of David West.

If your position had been Favors sucks, let's move him ASAP, you might have had a leg to stand on, although there is the issue of sample size. But "We can fix this problem by playing him like David West" is not supported by any of the evidence. Sometimes you just need to take the L, say "my bad guys" and move on.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 3:51 pm
Posted by Pelibeast
Member since Jun 2017
99 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:52 pm to
The answer to your question is that there wouldn’t be enough shooting/space on the floor to operate our offensive system if Favors and Okafor are both on the floor. That applies to most nba teams offense systems right now.

If we had a 7 footer that only shot 3s like porzingis, then sure favors could probably play some 4 for us in this system.
Posted by 50407Tiger
Member since Oct 2019
1227 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:52 pm to
I’m not taking a L, but with Favors at C the Pels will take a lot.
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
25097 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

But WHY SHOULD HE PLAY CENTER FOR THIS PELICANS TEAM?



Because we dont run a half court offense and you cant have 2 lumbering big men on the court together.
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