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re: Which player not named AD will benefit most from Gentry hire?
Posted on 6/14/15 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/14/15 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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jrue has all the talent to be a 20/10//5 point guard with good shooting numbers
This is exactly what I was talking about. There have been only 3 players to ever put up 20/10/5 in the history of the game- Oscar, Magic, and CP3. Holiday is nowhere close to the skill level or smarts of those guys. Just tossing that out there is not only ludicrous, but reckless and unfair to what Holiday does well.
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:27 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Pretty lofty CP3/Magic Johnson like standards.
jrue has all the talent to be a 20/10//5 point guard with good shooting numbers
Posted on 6/16/15 at 8:18 am to shel311
saying he has all the talent to do that doesn't mean he will do that
he's already hit 17.7/8.0/4.2 as a 22-year old in a terribly inefficient, doug collins-based offensive system
he's already hit 17.7/8.0/4.2 as a 22-year old in a terribly inefficient, doug collins-based offensive system
Posted on 6/16/15 at 11:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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saying he has all the talent to do that doesn't mean he will do that
Of course not. But you did say if he just "listens" to Gentry, he could have a pantheon season. Just that easy, Jrue!
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already hit 17.7/8.0/4.2
Ok. He got to dominate the ball on a team with no other options; a classic "counting stats tho" season. He hasn't come close to those numbers in any other season. There is nothing about Holiday's game that indicates he is a high usage, efficient offensive player. System or not, Holiday has not shown he can be the engine of a good offense.
The Holiday we've seen in NO is who he should be. He's increased his 3Pr, cut down TOs, and decreased his usage rate. Assuming they keep the core guys, that is exactly what they want/need from the pg. A good, reliable secondary option on offense and a great perimeter defender.
If Holiday can continue to bump up his efficiency and throw up something like 15/7/4 with 46/39 (4-5 3PA/G)/80 splits and stellar defense, the Pelicans will be getting their money's worth from him.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 11:51 am to corndeaux
One of the biggest myths about Jrue is that he's ball dominant and it's far from the truth.His AST/TO rate was very low for a PG(at one point I believe he was only second/third to CP3) and only had a usage rate of 21.
On many occasions he defers to tyreke and lets him do the "dirty work",we've rarely seen him be aggressive and gentry/pack could help with that.
He doesn't look for his offense enough and concentrates his energy on his usual great defense. I hope he can find some type of balance and again gentry/pack can help.
He's a rock solid shooter and can can get to the lane whenever he wants. I just want him to be a bit more assertive. I really don't think 17.5/7.5-8/4 is out of the question to be honest.
On many occasions he defers to tyreke and lets him do the "dirty work",we've rarely seen him be aggressive and gentry/pack could help with that.
He doesn't look for his offense enough and concentrates his energy on his usual great defense. I hope he can find some type of balance and again gentry/pack can help.
He's a rock solid shooter and can can get to the lane whenever he wants. I just want him to be a bit more assertive. I really don't think 17.5/7.5-8/4 is out of the question to be honest.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 12:31 pm to LosLobos111
Very excited to see Jrue in AG's system.
Would like to see Holiday shoot more from 3.
Would like to see Holiday shoot more from 3.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 6:43 pm to LosLobos111
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His AST/TO rate was very low for a PG(at one point I believe he was only second/third to CP3) and only had a usage rate of 21.
Exactly. He is best in as a 2nd/3rd option on offense, not as a main engine.
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He doesn't look for his offense enough and concentrates his energy on his usual great defense
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more assertive
I'm not sure what this means. He took the 3rd or 4th (depending on what metric you want to use) most FGA/G on the entire team. How many more shots does he need to take and from whom is he taking them?
Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:13 pm to corndeaux
When he does find his way to the basket he makes it look easy. There also are many times he's open for a shot but keeps waiting for a play to develop. Maybe being assertive backfires and turns him into a chucker we hate, but it sure seems like he could put more pressure on the defense if he tried.
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:14 pm to corndeaux
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How many more shots does he need to take and from whom is he taking them?
Well, they will play at a faster pace, which should give them an extra 5 possessions or so per game (I think that's what I looked at). And Tyreke could also lose a few shots.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:24 pm to Epic Cajun
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seems like he could put more pressure on the defense if he tried.
But that's sort of my point. To me, he isn't that guy. He doesn't have that type of vision or instinct. I dont think it is an easily learned skill either. Asking him to do more on offense, to me, seems like asking him to overextend himself.
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they will play at a faster pace, which should give them an extra 5 possessions or so per game (I think that's what I looked at)
That's right. But I fully expect TOs to go up playing with more pace and more passes. For me, more shots should go to Davis and to catch and shoot guys. Whether it's Anderson, Gordon, Holiday, QPon or whoever makes no difference to me.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:56 pm to corndeaux
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That's right. But I fully expect TOs to go up playing with more pace and more passes. For me, more shots should go to Davis and to catch and shoot guys. Whether it's Anderson, Gordon, Holiday, QPon or whoever makes no difference to me.
I can agree with that. AD should be taking about 20 shots per game. Holiday is more of a Conley type PG, than a guy who's going to shoot the ball 20 times per game.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:59 pm to Epic Cajun
the more shots AD takes the better.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:09 pm to Solo
I agree, the most FGA/game this past season was 22. He should be around 20, which is what Aldridge averaged. (AD was at 17.6)
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