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When is Frank Jackson going to be active

Posted on 12/29/17 at 3:13 am
Posted by Macintosh504
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 3:13 am
Want to see the rookie play
Posted by pawel
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 6:08 am to
Everybody wants.
Good luck with finding minutes in the GLeague Frank.
Posted by Sorrento Muddbugs
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 9:07 am to
Not sure exactly, but Solomon said in an interview yesterday that FJ was getting close.
Posted by Crewz
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 9:15 am to
When you see him play, it will be in the G League. Hope you are not expecting him to get real minutes on the actual team
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 9:37 am to
he's a decent trade asset at best packaged with a shite contract and the pick.
I bet he never plays a minute for the pels
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 9:49 am to
I think Moore is playing well enough that you have to wonder where a guy like Jackson gets minutes down the line. Presumably you'll have Rondo or another starting PG meaning he's a 4th guard at best long term. His prospects are different if you plan to trade Moore, but what can you realistically get for him? It's not like Washington would trade Porter for say Moore/Asik or even Moore/Asik/1st. The teams with a clear starting SF upgrade won't trade them for spare or future parts.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:05 am to
A 4th guard on THIS team could get plenty of minutes if he's good with how many 3 guard lineups they want to play.

Plus, Jackson wouldn't be even a solid player until Moore's contract is up and Rondo is over the hill. He would be a college senior in Moore's final contract year. He is a developmental project that I wouldn't expect anything major from until 2019-20 at the earliest
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:22 am to
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Hope you are not expecting him to get real minutes on the actual team


while i don't expect a 2nd round pick to get quality minutes as a rookie, it's not like it's something that never happens, and it's not crazy to have expectations of a guy you rated as a 1st round pick, that you got with the 31st overall pick after paying cash and your later 2nd round pick to move up to get, to be able to contribute fairly quickly.

Can we for once, outside of DWest/CP3/AD/Rivers have a guy we draft in the last 15 years actually be able to contribute in any year, yet alone his first year?
Just looking at this year, Dillon Brooks, Frank Mason, Juwan Evans, Dwayne Bacon, Sindarius Thornwell, Jordan Bell, Semi Ojeyele, are all giving their teams 14+ minutes a game, and they were all 2nd round picks, and there's a host of undrafted guys as well that are giving quality minutes to teams as well.

We can't even get Diallo quality minutes.
Kyle Kuzma went 4 picks before Jackson and he looks awesome.

We've made 2 picks in the last 5 years. What do we have to show for the other 8 picks? $25M Jrue, about to be $30M Cousins, $11M Asik instead of Rolo, cash. I will say that having Jrue and Cousins is likely better than the 4 picks we would have used instead of them, and i have no issues with those deals, but it sure would be nice to actually have a 2nd round pick, or acquire a late first from someone, and actually groom a guy into a contributor. The lack of backup bigs on this team right now could easily be solved by finding one in the 2nd round in any of the last 3 or 4 drafts.
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:32 am to
valid complaints
however they didn't draft a back up big they drafted a tweener guard with a broken foot
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:35 am to
I really like Charles Cooke. He's got the tools, confidence and physicality to be a good defender. Unless he's just dumb I really expect him to be in the rotation next year replacing someone like Tony Allen.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 10:39 am to
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however they didn't draft a back up big they drafted a tweener guard with a broken foot



I'm talking about the last few years.
You know in 2014, our 2nd round pick that we traded for some crap money move, was the pick before Jokic? that would have been nice.

and last years 2nd round picks were litered with centers, and we traded two of those picks to move up to grab a PF/C who still has no idea how to play the game of basketball and is too small to play C. Granted most of those centers in the 2nd round last year have not done much, but the point is, when you trade away picks to move up in the 2nd round to grab a guy, you better have a real good feeling that this guy is going to contribute at some point. Trading the 39 and 40 pick to get to the 34th, or whatever Diallo was drafted at, just seems really stupid. The liklihood of a 2nd round pick working out isn't that high, so why lower your chances?
Posted by supe12sta12z
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:16 pm to
Come on now. We took Jackson before the roster filled out and at that point in time we needed a guard. We had Diallo and Ajinca healthy at the time too. A big wasn't a need at that point in time. And all we had at guard was Holiday and Moore. Hindsight is a bitch.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:53 pm to
It is rare for a.Freshman.

I have done the research on this and have educated people on this dozens of times: underclassmen second round fnpicks do not play for playoff teams. End of story

If they had taken an upperclassmen like I have suggested the past two years, they could have a rotation player. Guys like Brogden and Bell can play for playoff teams.

Underclassmen don't. And that's why Brogden and Bell were listed as guys we should take in my articles the last two years -- Diallo and Jackson we're not

History speaks clearly on this
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:57 pm to
Read this article, written almost 18 months ago

It's super easy to predict which guys will be sleepers and yet the Pels still haven't hired me ;)

LINK /
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25577 posts
Posted on 12/29/17 at 1:00 pm to
I dont disagree with any of that. It's just frustrating that we NEVER find guys in the draft, either b/c we don't have the pick, or the pick didn't turn out.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 12/29/17 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

The liklihood of a 2nd round pick working out isn't that high, so why lower your chances?



But they're not 2nds. Remember, Diallo was like a 1st this year and Jackson is like a 1st next year

Disappointing Diallo can't give them 10-15 mpg, but not unexpected. Like Crewz says, if Jackson gives them anything before 19/20, at the earliest, that is a nice bonus.

quote:

Dillon Brooks, Frank Mason, Juwan Evans, Dwayne Bacon, Sindarius Thornwell, Jordan Bell, Semi Ojeyele


You're overrating the heck out of those guys. All but Bell and Ojeyele play for fairly awful teams. Austin Rivers got minutes on bad Hornets teams too.

Bell looks like a steal and a potential long term starter. The rest are probably not

The bigger issue is that this is a franchise that clearly has shown little desire to invest in youth and young player development. Why would their college scouting and development program be great when they never go after or keep those guys?

Conversely, why do the Warriors, Celtics, or Spurs find and develop guys in all parts of the draft over the last several years?
This post was edited on 12/29/17 at 1:06 pm
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 12/29/17 at 1:10 pm to
I mean, you need picks to find guys and we never have those.

Diallo could be good but I think this staff has already ruined him

I believe in Jackson in a Fitch offense if both are still here in 2-3 years

BTW - the guy they actually wanted? Derrick White
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 1:11 pm to
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BTW - the guy they actually wanted? Derrick White


Stolen by the Spurs which says he'll be really good.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25577 posts
Posted on 12/29/17 at 1:13 pm to
I am 100% in agreement with what you said in that article.
The fact remains, we gave up assets to move up to draft these two guys. You better be right when you do that, at least be right half the time.
We literally have no backup 4 or 5 and Diallo can't find minutes. He has about as much trade value as Asik at this point.

Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 12/29/17 at 1:17 pm to
Right. But they never expected anything from either guy in year 1 or 2. To be fair, Brogden at age 20 wouldn't have gotten minutes in the NBA. The hope is that they can contribute in years 3 and beyond and while guys like Brogden have a capped ceiling, you hope a guy like Jackson's is way high and THAT is how you truly move the needle

That would be their counter
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