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re: When do we start having the conversation about trading Zion?
Posted on 3/24/23 at 12:29 pm to shel311
Posted on 3/24/23 at 12:29 pm to shel311
That's right, when we won the championship that only Zion can deliver.
Zion Williamson thumb sprain, April 2021
A thumb sprain kept Zion Williamson out for a handful of games in 2021. He returned in a matchup against the Atlanta Hawks in which he scored 34 points on 12-of-18 shooting from the field, including one made and attempted 3-pointer.
Zion Williamson right knee soreness, August 2020
Zion Williamson missed the final two games of the Pelicans’ 2019-20 season due to right knee soreness. It’s a little suspicious that this injury came just after the Pels were eliminated from postseason contention, though. It’s quite possible he would have given it a go if there were anything to play for.
Zion Williamson torn meniscus, start of rookie year (2019-20)
Zion Williamson tore his meniscus in the 2019 preseason, and his much-anticipated delay was held off for the team’s first 44 games. In game 45, Williamson made his debut to the tune of a remarkable 4-of-4 3-point effort and 22 points, 7 rebounds, and 3 assists.
Zion Williamson thumb sprain, April 2021
A thumb sprain kept Zion Williamson out for a handful of games in 2021. He returned in a matchup against the Atlanta Hawks in which he scored 34 points on 12-of-18 shooting from the field, including one made and attempted 3-pointer.
Zion Williamson right knee soreness, August 2020
Zion Williamson missed the final two games of the Pelicans’ 2019-20 season due to right knee soreness. It’s a little suspicious that this injury came just after the Pels were eliminated from postseason contention, though. It’s quite possible he would have given it a go if there were anything to play for.
Zion Williamson torn meniscus, start of rookie year (2019-20)
Zion Williamson tore his meniscus in the 2019 preseason, and his much-anticipated delay was held off for the team’s first 44 games. In game 45, Williamson made his debut to the tune of a remarkable 4-of-4 3-point effort and 22 points, 7 rebounds, and 3 assists.
This post was edited on 3/24/23 at 12:31 pm
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Posted on 3/24/23 at 12:36 pm to shel311
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I don't think you're getting what you think
At least I'm giving something of what I think as opposed to you not saying anything.
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We can't do the "he never plays, trade him" thing while also assuming you can get a huge haul for him. That doesn't make sense.
Again, nothing I said is a huge haul.
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We are the equivalent of a sub 30 win team this season since Zion went down
The team we are right now is who we are with Zion 25% of the time. How are you not realizing that. Or in your hypothetical is it some weird situation where he completely misses 3 seasons and for one season plays 82 games? Because yea that's realistic.
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Also, you're not factoring that we wouldn't have been 23-12 with whoever this mythical person is we trade for. So sure, maybe they turn that 13-23 into something like 18-18, but that 23-12 is also going to be worse, so back to my original question, how much better can this trade make a bottom 5 ish team?
I've already admitted that we would would be worse, but competitive and more fun to watch 75% of the time.
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Again, if you think Zion gives a team no chance to win, why do you think he'll get a return of good player and 1st round picks?
A team will take the risk. Not sure why every team is assumed to think he gives you no shot to win. Because I've never said that. I've already said I don't want to trade him, but I also know there could possibly be benefits if they did trade.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 12:37 pm to MizunoDude
quote:Talk about moving goalposts
That's right, when we won the championship that only Zion can deliver.
But yes, tell me more about how it's Zion's fault he didn't deliver a title in year 2 when Eric Bledsoe led our team in minutes played.
Move those goalposts some more!!!
This post was edited on 3/24/23 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 3/24/23 at 12:38 pm to Brightside Bengal
You don’t trade a transcendent game changing talent, you keep working to figure out how to keep him healthy because when he is healthy, he is multiples more dominant than any player on our roster or any player that we would receive in a trade.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 12:40 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:It's not "my scenario," it's literally what has happened. 3 seasons ravaged by injury, and 1 season that didn't. I am saying I'll take 4 more years of that over a trade and 4 years of mediocrity, which is what we'd get. And certainly, our chances to do something real would undoubtedly decrease IMO.
The team we are right now is who we are with Zion 25% of the time. How are you not realizing that. Or in your hypothetical is it some weird situation where he completely misses 3 seasons and for one season plays 82 games? Because yea that's realistic.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 12:42 pm to NOFOX
quote:If you were a team like the Lakers or some other big market that players gravitate to, maybe you can make the trade argument.
You don’t trade a transcendent game changing talent, you keep working to figure out how to keep him healthy because when he is healthy, he is multiples more dominant than any player on our roster or any player that we would receive in a trade.
We're the Pels. I know we've luckily had 3, but generally speaking, you don't get these chances, and we could go the next 30 years without getting another Zion, so you HAVE to take the risk and put all your stock in him and let it play out.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 12:46 pm to shel311
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re: When do we start having the conversation about trading Zion?Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:32 am to Brightside Bengal
One healthy season with Zion has the potential to bring NOLA a title. A team like the Pelicans cannot afford to trade someone like that.
re: When do we start having the conversation about trading Zion?Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:32 am to Brightside Bengal
One healthy season with Zion has the potential to bring NOLA a title. A team like the Pelicans cannot afford to trade someone like that.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 12:47 pm to shel311
He had a hammy strain. Bad luck unfortunately but that isn't going to affect his game do you ride out the "bad luck" and hope he gets past it.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 12:49 pm to MizunoDude
quote:I'm aware. You said he'd never have a full season, I reminded you he has before. Then you moved the goalposts.
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re: When do we start having the conversation about trading Zion?Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:32 am to Brightside Bengal
One healthy season with Zion has the potential to bring NOLA a title. A team like the Pelicans cannot afford to trade someone like that.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 12:59 pm to shel311
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We're the Pels. I know we've luckily had 3, but generally speaking, you don't get these chances, and we could go the next 30 years without getting another Zion, so you HAVE to take the risk and put all your stock in him and let it play out.
Exactly. As a small market we don’t have the luxury of meaningfully competing for free agents, nor facing the lotto gods for multiple seasons.
Zion is capable of being the best player on a championship team. I don’t think people really understand just how rare that talent is.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:07 pm to shel311
So missing games due to knee soreness doesn't count?
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:21 pm to MizunoDude
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So missing games due to knee soreness doesn't count?
So your expectation is for Zion to play 82 games a year or it's unacceptable?
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:28 pm to tehchampion140
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So your expectation is for Zion to play 82 games a year or it's unacceptable?
I know his wasn't directed to me and I'll say again for the 4th time in this thread, I don't want to trade Zion. I love that dude. I love watching him play basketball. But no, 61 games is not a full season. Would I take 61 games from him every year? Absolutely. But that's not a full season. There are still stars that play 70+ games a year every year. You can't say missing 21 games is playing a full season.
Edit: 72 game season
This post was edited on 3/24/23 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:30 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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61 games is not a full season.
It was a 72 game season that year. He missed 5 games all year before the final 6.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:34 pm to tehchampion140
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It was a 72 game season that year. He missed 5 games all year before the final 6.
That's not a full season. He missed over 10% of the year.
In an 82 game season, I think 80 or more is a full season. Around 74 is healthy. Anything less is troubling for anyone under the age of 32..
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:45 pm to brmark70816
The top 3 MVP candidates have all missed over 10% of their seasons so far. That's a pretty unfair standard to hold Zion to.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:56 pm to tehchampion140
These are the same people who wants to trade for KD even though he missed a lot of games. You don’t trade them unless they request for a trade.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 1:58 pm to NOFOX
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You don’t trade a transcendent game changing talent, you keep working to figure out how to keep him healthy because when he is healthy, he is multiples more dominant than any player on our roster or any player that we would receive in a trade.
Right. Any time in the next few years, ownership would clean house and look for GM candidates with a vision that didn't involve hitting the reset button rather than look at trading Zion.
This post was edited on 3/24/23 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 3/24/23 at 2:16 pm to brmark70816
Under the age of 32? Excellent point but this guy is 22 and cannot get healthy enough to play 30 games over the last 2 seasons. Who misses 3 months with a hamstring strain? A Grade 3 tear is about a 2 month recovery.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 2:31 pm to tehchampion140
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The top 3 MVP candidates have all missed over 10% of their seasons so far. That's a pretty unfair standard to hold Zion to.
I don't think so. Missing more than 8-10 games a season shouldn't be normal or an expectation.
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