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What's the player's responsibility to be consistent/avoid letdown games?
Posted on 1/21/18 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 1/21/18 at 1:50 pm
We've talked about Gentry, Demps, etc. But what kind of responsibility falls on AD, Boogie, Jrue, and the rest?
We have the top-end talent, but even though we don't have the top-to-bottom talent of GSW, HOU, BOS, CLE, etc I still think something is missing (without including Gentry, Dell, & other management).
I love that we welcome big games and can compete with everyone, but I want us to use those games against Memphis, Atlanta, and others for our starters to stay in a groove, rest for AD, Boogie, & Jrue, and as confidence builders for our bench (aka easy wins).
What do our guys need to do to get consistent?
(lol sorry for the early post)
We have the top-end talent, but even though we don't have the top-to-bottom talent of GSW, HOU, BOS, CLE, etc I still think something is missing (without including Gentry, Dell, & other management).
I love that we welcome big games and can compete with everyone, but I want us to use those games against Memphis, Atlanta, and others for our starters to stay in a groove, rest for AD, Boogie, & Jrue, and as confidence builders for our bench (aka easy wins).
What do our guys need to do to get consistent?
(lol sorry for the early post)
This post was edited on 1/21/18 at 2:21 pm
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Posted on 1/21/18 at 1:58 pm to DeionDeion
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This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 1/21/18 at 2:04 pm to DeionDeion
Hopefully Kemba. And hopefully soon.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 2:06 pm to DeionDeion
The guy who wants to blame the game.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 2:08 pm to Suntiger
I deserve this
Posted on 1/21/18 at 2:19 pm to DeionDeion
Players need to play like professional athletes
Posted on 1/21/18 at 2:32 pm to VOR
Ryan had my favorite line in our last pod. He said, "You think anybody ever has to tell Taj Gibson to play hard?"
I couldn't agree more. That's all on the players. The coaches job is to focus that effort and energy correctly. But not bringing that effort, focus, and energy to a game? That's the players fault if they don't. Coach shouldnt have to do that
I couldn't agree more. That's all on the players. The coaches job is to focus that effort and energy correctly. But not bringing that effort, focus, and energy to a game? That's the players fault if they don't. Coach shouldnt have to do that
Posted on 1/21/18 at 2:45 pm to Crewz
You're a supervisor. Let's say at a warehouse. You've got guys out there fulfilling orders. They aren't meeting quota. They are going slow, the drive isn't there to get the work done. This is a consistent problem over months.
You blame the workers? You fire them? You give blame to the supervisor for not being able to get his workers to do their job?
You blame the workers? You fire them? You give blame to the supervisor for not being able to get his workers to do their job?
Posted on 1/21/18 at 2:45 pm to DeionDeion
I guess they just don't have the depth of talent to be consistent.
Consistency comes from being able to win in different ways. If you have a talented roster from top to bottom, you have many different ways to win games.
If the roster has talent but is thin, that team can win games but they have a narrower path to win games. So some nights it works and other nights they struggle.
Consistency comes from being able to win in different ways. If you have a talented roster from top to bottom, you have many different ways to win games.
If the roster has talent but is thin, that team can win games but they have a narrower path to win games. So some nights it works and other nights they struggle.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 2:54 pm to PrimeTime Money
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I guess they just don't have the depth of talent to be consistent.
I think the depth is an issue from a standpoint of fatigue. But these guys are still learning how to win. They came out flat after halftime last night, just like they did against Atlanta. They called a timeout and all of a sudden the effort was there again. They just don't know how to bring it for 48 minutes.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 3:37 pm to quail man
Comparing sports to literally any other job is stupid IMO
How many other jobs can you name where en employee can make 5-10 times more than his boss?
In every other profession I can think of, the boss has power. In sports, the player has the power (see: Gasol vs Fizdale and 500+ other times when a star player and coach didn't see eye to eye)
If Ian Clark or Miller are not focused, then Gentry has some power. But notice that those guys are always trying hard.
So, long story short, yes it's on the players. I want Gentry to try and do things to wake them up, but if he fails, I put the core of the blame on the players
How many other jobs can you name where en employee can make 5-10 times more than his boss?
In every other profession I can think of, the boss has power. In sports, the player has the power (see: Gasol vs Fizdale and 500+ other times when a star player and coach didn't see eye to eye)
If Ian Clark or Miller are not focused, then Gentry has some power. But notice that those guys are always trying hard.
So, long story short, yes it's on the players. I want Gentry to try and do things to wake them up, but if he fails, I put the core of the blame on the players
Posted on 1/21/18 at 4:20 pm to Crewz
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not bringing that effort, focus, and energy to a game? That's the players fault if they don't. Coach shouldnt have to do that
Didn't a nfl coach say that this year and they had people not agree with that?
You're a professional making a lot of money. The coach should not have to worry about your effort. He prepares the gameplan, it's up to the players to execute it. There's a big difference between losing b/c of the gameplan and losing b/c you gave zero effort.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 4:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
I think there is a language issue in this debate.
CAN a coach inspire? Motivate to get up for a game? Sure. A bank teller can thwart a robbery. But that's not their job. They shouldn't have do that.
And I bet a player would admit that if you asked him.
CAN a coach inspire? Motivate to get up for a game? Sure. A bank teller can thwart a robbery. But that's not their job. They shouldn't have do that.
And I bet a player would admit that if you asked him.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 4:58 pm to Crewz
I think the people blaming the coaches would argue that what a coach can do is bench players. Unfortunately for Gentry that just isn't practical. Not only is Cousins in a contract year and you don't want to potentially chase him away by being too much of a nag, when you bench him you replace him with Dante Cunningham. Half Assing Boogie >>>>>>> Dante.
He has benched Rondo when he isn't getting what he wants from him. I also like the recent changeup in the rotation the last week or so that makes Jrue the first guard sub when Cousins comes out giving you more Jrue/Boogie, Rondo/AD and less Rondo/Boogie which the stats say is terrible. I'm pretty sure you were calling for those pairings in the offseason or very early in the year before the numbers told us they made the most sense.
He has benched Rondo when he isn't getting what he wants from him. I also like the recent changeup in the rotation the last week or so that makes Jrue the first guard sub when Cousins comes out giving you more Jrue/Boogie, Rondo/AD and less Rondo/Boogie which the stats say is terrible. I'm pretty sure you were calling for those pairings in the offseason or very early in the year before the numbers told us they made the most sense.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 5:02 pm to Crewz
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Ryan had my favorite line in our last pod. He said, "You think anybody ever has to tell Taj Gibson to play hard?"
It was the biggest reason I wanted to keep Crawford. His energy and effort was infectious. I was hoping Rondo would’ve at least been the guy to lead by coaching in this area (bc we all knew he wouldn’t lead by example in the effort/energy category)
Posted on 1/21/18 at 5:20 pm to LesGeaux45
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Hopefully Kemba. And hopefully soon.
What am I missing here? This dude is a terrible shooter and just chucks up bad looking shots. His best shooting percentage was 44.4% and his career average is 41.3%... Don't see what the love here for him is.
That's not to mention his mediocre 3P percentages, with a career average of 35%. Hard pass.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 6:17 pm to ElRoos
Guy who looks at stats but has rarely, if ever, watched the guy played.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 8:49 pm to DeionDeion
I think it's all on the players, Boogie gonna Boogie no matter what the coaches say, that's obvious. One of the players needs to step up and be a leader besides him. But they are probably scared of him too.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 9:43 am to Tiger Ugly
Players like Boogie loaf, it happens. In the NBA. In the NFL. It doesn't matter, there are stars who loaf.
Good coaches know when to pull them and good coaches maximize the efficiency when they play.
Really, it comes down to making the most of the 32 minutes he plays hard and being able to offset the 4 minutes of his loafing with 4 other guys who can hide him.
If he's gonna be a lazy rebounder, get a player in there who's gonna run and chase after it. If he's gonna be lazy on offense, get someone in there who takes the ball from him and run an offense.
Good coaches know when to pull them and good coaches maximize the efficiency when they play.
Really, it comes down to making the most of the 32 minutes he plays hard and being able to offset the 4 minutes of his loafing with 4 other guys who can hide him.
If he's gonna be a lazy rebounder, get a player in there who's gonna run and chase after it. If he's gonna be lazy on offense, get someone in there who takes the ball from him and run an offense.
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 9:47 am
Posted on 1/22/18 at 10:54 am to htran90
I'm sure he would if he had a roster of competent guys. When you are pulling him to put in Asik or Diallo, or go small with Ian Clark or Tony Allen, you aren't exactly helping your team
As Tiger pointed out, Gentry has done this with Rondo because he has options. He doesn't with Boogie. Maybe with Hill coming back, and if they add one other guy...
As Tiger pointed out, Gentry has done this with Rondo because he has options. He doesn't with Boogie. Maybe with Hill coming back, and if they add one other guy...
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