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re: What big men are attainable?
Posted on 11/15/23 at 10:50 am to ghost2most
Posted on 11/15/23 at 10:50 am to ghost2most
I think pistons could be a team you can make a trade with. They have too many bigs. Could try to get wiseman and Ivey. Monty doesn’t seem to like Ivey much.
Or a guy like Nick Richards from the hornets
Or gafford. Basically any tanking team with a a decent big who may want assets for them
Or a guy like Nick Richards from the hornets
Or gafford. Basically any tanking team with a a decent big who may want assets for them
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 10:54 am
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Posted on 11/15/23 at 10:56 am to Macintosh
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I think pistons could be a team you can make a trade with. They have too many bigs. Could try to get wiseman and Ivey. Monty doesn’t seem to like Ivey much.
Or a guy like Nick Richards from the hornets
We don't need Ivey either though.
Ingram for Hayward, Richards and picks? I'd consider that. Hayward is expiring so you free up some money and get a big with potential. Charlotte sucks so picks would be nice from them.
Send BI back to NC. Works for me.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:03 am to ghost2most
quote:we better be getting like 5 picks. Ingram has value in this league. Yall are underselling him. I’d say he has the same value if not a little more than Jrue did when we traded him.
Ingram for Hayward, Richards and picks?
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 11:03 am
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:19 am to Macintosh
If we trading for a big from Detroit it better be Stewart.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:28 am to ghost2most
quote:Wow! Are you undervaluing BI. Richards is a bench player who, at 25, may not be much more. Hayward, while playing well right now, is an expiring. We would have to get back several picks and swaps in that deal. Remember that, if you believe the bloggers, Griff was not willing to deal BI for the #2 pick in the draft to get Scoot.
Ingram for Hayward, Richards and picks? I'd consider that. Hayward is expiring so you free up some money and get a big with potential. Charlotte sucks so picks would be nice from them.
Send BI back to NC. Works for me.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:29 am to Soggymoss
quote:I like Stewart, but I think Detroit does too. May be tough to get.
If we trading for a big from Detroit it better be Stewart.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:37 am to NOSHAU
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I like Stewart, but I think Detroit does too. May be tough to get.
There’s nit a chance in hell I’m trading BI for a downgrade at big man in Wiseman.
Detroit can like Stewart all they want, if they would want BI they would have to part with him.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:41 am to ghost2most
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Who is available though that would make sense and want BI back?
The answer is:
Pacers: BI, Naji, Zeller
Pels: Miles Turner, Mathurin, TJ Mconnel (maybe can get pick swaps? Maybe might have to give pick swaps?)
CJ /Jose
Hawkins /Mathurin
Herb /Dyson
Zion / Trey
Turner / Val
I mean ideally you then take Nance, Kira, Liddell and turn that 18mil into Lauri Markannen…. Or include Val.
Which would give you a Zion/ Turner/ Trey/ Markannen/ Val core in the paint.
Potentially:
CJ/ Jose
Hawkins/ Mathurin
Herb/ Dyson
Zion/ Trey
Turner/ Markannen
This lineup would be worth the Bucks 26 pick and (1) of our own picks to trade BI for essentially Mathurin/ Turner/ Markannen
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 11:52 am
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:57 am to Dantheman504
Why do the pacers or jazz do this?
That doesn't seem realistic to me at all
That doesn't seem realistic to me at all
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 11:58 am
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:04 pm to Dantheman504
quote:
Pacers: BI, Naji, Zeller
Pels: Miles Turner, Mathurin, TJ Mconnel (maybe can get pick swaps? Maybe might have to give pick swaps?)
This is unlikely because I think Indy really likes Mathurin, but not the worst trade I've ever seen
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I mean ideally you then take Nance, Kira, Liddell and turn that 18mil into Lauri Markannen…. Or include Val.
This is unhinged. Are we also giving them every single 1st we can trade? Lauri was a borderline All-NBA player last year!
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:05 pm to ghost2most
I know we’re just throwing ideas out here. But Griffin will not trade BI at any point this season. Hes going to give both him and Zion the whole season to figure it out before making any decision with BI. Again to me JV is the guy who likely gets moved.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:16 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I know we’re just throwing ideas out here. But Griffin will not trade BI at any point this season. Hes going to give both him and Zion the whole season to figure it out before making any decision with BI. Again to me JV is the guy who likely gets moved.
Not sure what value Val has. Why would a team trade an athletic big we need for a statue?
We'd have to throw in something like picks or Dyson.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:19 pm to ghost2most
He is an expiring and is solid vet that can score/rebound. Lets not act like hes Cody Zeller now. We would likely have to throw in protected first but that depends on the player- Jarrett Allen? JV expiring itself will be a big trade pick in todays CBA. Teams will want to get off salary. Not sure we would add draft picks for Gafford or some of the lower tier guys.
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:26 pm to Pels_Yaz
JV is our most effective center since prime Tyson Chandler by a significant margin. We aren't upgrading without creating other roster issues to get it done
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:27 pm to DallasTiger45
Yeah yeah I know… the chance to get Lauri has already passed. If we traded Zion then that’s one of the people we should target tho.
BI/ Naji for Turner/ Mathurin could actually be realistic. Obviously they like Mathurin a lot but BI isn’t a nobody and has a ton of value. Giving them Naji helps makes it a possibility.
And Miles Turner IS the attainable big men. That’s pretty much it. Anything else is trying to pry rookie/ 2nd year stud with an overpay and getting pushback or overpaying for KAT, Embid, etc which isn’t exactly “attainable “
BI/ Naji for Turner/ Mathurin could actually be realistic. Obviously they like Mathurin a lot but BI isn’t a nobody and has a ton of value. Giving them Naji helps makes it a possibility.
And Miles Turner IS the attainable big men. That’s pretty much it. Anything else is trying to pry rookie/ 2nd year stud with an overpay and getting pushback or overpaying for KAT, Embid, etc which isn’t exactly “attainable “
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:28 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
To me you use JV and maybe lakers or are own pick to upgrade. Its time to cash in those picks. We already have tons of young talent on this roster no need to stash picks.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:34 pm to ghost2most
quote:I can see the pacers doing it if they don’t do anything exciting in the post season. Idk about the Jazz
Why do the pacers or jazz do this?
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:39 pm to Pels_Yaz
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To me you use JV and maybe lakers or are own pick to upgrade. Its time to cash in those picks. We already have tons of young talent on this roster no need to stash picks
See but this is where it gets tricky with center value. What are we going to get back at center trading Val and 1st? If it’s Miles Turner then I’d rather keep Val and get a cheaper center that won’t cost a 1st. Otherwise I’d rather trade Val + 2/3 1st for a stud.
Why trade Val for another center and still end up with 1 center and 0 backups unless it’s a savage? You aren’t getting that return with Val + 1 first.
We just need 2 players on our team above 6’ 11”. Idk why that’s so hard to do on a 15 man roster in the fricking NBA. Every team has 2 guys above 6’ 10” every single year except us.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:45 pm to Dantheman504
Its hard to do in todays nba because you need 2 guys over 6’10 than can rebound, play defense, switch on defense, score and sometimes shoot the 3. Thats asking a lot. I think you’re being greedy- you’re now asking for 2 playable athletic centers in a league that doesn’t have many. Theres a reason guys like Jaxson Hayes get signed by other teams.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:53 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Thats asking a lot
Yes it may be asking a lot to make that a reality.
It’s NOT asking a lot to make ANY effort in that process whatsoever. In the last (20) years this is the list of “centers” we have drafted.
Cole Aldrich: 2010
Anthony Davis: 2012
Jaxson Hayes: 2019
Karlo Matkovic: 2022
So yeah it is difficult to find one who can rebound, play defense, switch, and score. It’s WAY more difficult when you only bring in 4 guys in over a 20 years span and then do nothing when they are trash.
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