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re: Watching college prospects thread
Posted on 3/20/16 at 12:48 am to 504ByrdGang
Posted on 3/20/16 at 12:48 am to 504ByrdGang
Ben
Ingram
Brown
Dunn
Luwawu
Just give me one and I'm happy
Ingram
Brown
Dunn
Luwawu
Just give me one and I'm happy
Posted on 3/20/16 at 12:57 am to 504ByrdGang
Just might happen if we sit AD the rest of the season. And then "limit" Jrues minutes to "spare" him and allow the 10-day guys like Frazier to get some run. That is the formula needed in order to get that top 5 pick 
Posted on 3/20/16 at 4:12 am to oncealurker
Dejonte Murray is a guy to keep an eye on
Posted on 3/20/16 at 8:44 am to hendersonshands
Should keep an eye on Michael Gbinije from Syracuse.
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NBA Comparison: Alec Burks
Strengths: Athletic and versatile 6-foot-7, 200-pound guard-forward ... Can effectively play positions 1-3 on offense but may most likely be asked to play either the 2 or 3 at the next level ... Wing-sized player with guard-like skills ... Extremely effective as a primary or secondary ball-handler at the point guard position ... Sees the floor well and has a good feel for the game ... High basketball IQ ... Has a smooth and fluid style to his game ... Can get to his spots on the floor ... Good court vision ... Makes good decisions w/ the ball ... Continues to get better as a facilitator, playmaker, and distributor when running the offense ... Doesn't look to settle on offense, and instead, tries to get to the rim or create for others ... Creative and unselfish passer ... Knows when to use bounce passes or lobs when distributing the ball off the pick-and-roll or off the dribble drive ... Effective drive and dish/kick ... Makes pinpoint passes to his teammates who cut to the basket and fill the lanes in transition ... Makes the extra pass to an open teammate for a better shot ... Changes speed well for a player his size when he's in attack mode ... Has become more assertive in scoring the ball ... Scores from anywhere on the court at an efficient rate ... Has always been an effective spot-up shooter from the perimeter ... A consistent 3-point shooter who can reliable spread the floor ... He's shown flashes of a one-two dribble pull-up from inside the arc ... Improving free throw shooter ... His size and ball-handling give him an advantage over smaller defenders ... Can see the floor over them and makes it easier to get into the lane ... Wreaks havoc in the paint with his penetration ability ... Can finish with both hands ... Converts a high percentage of his shots in the paint ... He's a high riser on the fast break ... Hard to stop when driving to the rim in transition (takes good angles) ... Fills the lanes correctly ... Defensively, active ... Has good awareness ... Shows good potential as a man-to-man defender ... Has good lateral quickness ... Plays the passing lanes well (good instincts and anticipation skills) ... Gets his hands on a lot of balls, deflects passes and forces steals ... Strong weak side help defender ... Can defend positions 1-4 at the collegiate level ... Can potentially defend positions 1-3 at the next level ... Does a good of tracking down offensive rebounds off his or his teammates misses ... Embraces the role of a leader ... Capable of accepting added responsibility when the time calls for it ...
Weaknesses: Although Gbinije is an experienced player, he'll be 24-years-old by the time the draft comes ... His "advanced age" may scare some teams off from drafting him with a high pick ... Physically, Gbinije lacks both strength and length ... His wingspan isn't that ideal for his 6-foot-7 size, having been measured shorter than his height on two occasions ... He's not overly quick or explosive ... Handles the ball well but needs to show he can do more with his left hand ... Usually has good ball control but is currently still getting used to being a primary ball-handler (averaging almost three TO's per game) ... Given the amount of time he's in the paint per game, he should be shooting more free throws ... Consistency shooting off the dribble is an area for improvement ... Solid defender but needs to work on recovering when he gets beat off the dribble ... Lacks toughness and physicality on occasion ... Also, needs to show more intensity on both ends of the floor at times ... He'll sometimes be overmatched when he gets posted up ... Had built up a reputation of disappearing during games but has become more a more reliable and consistent threat so far this season (needs to keep that up) ... Needs to continue to fill out his frame (add some strength) ... For a player who's 6-foot-7, he can have a bigger impact on the boards
Posted on 3/20/16 at 9:20 am to 504ByrdGang
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Disappoint you for Luwawu
No need to tank for a guy at the end of the lottery.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 9:42 am to Gen Satterfield
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Should keep an eye on Michael Gbinije from Syracuse
He really improved this season. Wouldn't mind him in the second round. We need diverse guys. Gaining weight shouldn't be a problem for him.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 2:43 pm to duyp
AJ Hammond and DORIAN FINNEY-SMITH is who I really like to get with our seconds. I'm not a fan of Peltel, unless you're an uber athletic fast center you're a 15-20 mpg player now.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 3:01 pm to 504ByrdGang
This second round seems deeper than usual
Posted on 3/20/16 at 5:29 pm to hendersonshands
I want Ingram so badly.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 5:40 pm to Jester
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No need to tank for a guy at the end of the lottery.
He's projected top 10 now and I expect him to keep rising once he does workouts and the combine. He's a true athlete and once the official numbers come in he's not falling past the nuggets or Bucks. The wing is one of the most important positions now and he give everything you ask shooting, passing, rebounding, and defense.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 6:25 pm to supe12sta12z
Please lord let us get Buddy Hield.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 6:55 pm to LesGeaux45
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Chad Ford ?@chadfordinsider 15s15 seconds ago Hard to see Hield getting past Pelicans & Kings (slotted to pick 6 & 7 right now) on draft night. Both teams need what he brings.
Yarp. Honestly I woouldn't have a problem drafting him 3rd.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 7:08 pm to THRILLHO
It's not a good thing we're targeting the same player as the Kings.
Honestly if guys like Murray and Dunn are off the boards and my guy doesn't impress at workouts and the combine I'll be cool with Heild. I may even take Heild of Murray but like I said don't expect him to be the same guy he's in college in the leauge. I think he will be a great off ball shooter who's perfect at using screens.I can seem him being a great fit for Gentry system but I don't thin he's the BPA at where we are picking. Don't forget what Jodie Meeks did in his senior year and what he is in the NBA.
This post was edited on 3/20/16 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 3/20/16 at 8:16 pm to supe12sta12z
Heild is supposed to kill a team like VCU. Small team who's biggest starter is 6'7"
I'm still not crazy about heild or Murray game translating
Jimmer was hanging 30+ a game in the tourney a few years ago and had people saying the same thing. Different ball game against NBA size and athleticism.
I'm still not crazy about heild or Murray game translating
Jimmer was hanging 30+ a game in the tourney a few years ago and had people saying the same thing. Different ball game against NBA size and athleticism.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 8:42 pm to GynoSandberg
I like their chances a bit better due to both having 2-3 inches on a guy like jimmer and both have to be better on D
Have you seen Dejonte Murray? I've really liked what I read about him and he's a baller.
Have you seen Dejonte Murray? I've really liked what I read about him and he's a baller.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 8:56 pm to LosLobos111
That's why I think he will be a good role player because he has the size to translate. But people on here seems to pegg him as a can't miss star because of his play in college. I just believe his dribble game and shot creation won't translate as well and there are other players on the board who can be better than him. He has full keys to OK offense and he won't nearly play on ball as much because he doesn't hold that ball handling or passing ability. I see him as a solid NBA player who would thrive on a smart team and a good pick from tho 10-13 range. He would be a good fit in Gentry's system but we need so much more than a scorer and unless he's a star in that matter. I'm more into the guys who can affect the games out side of just scoring. Jimmer biggest problem was the guys he was scoring on were smaller and slower than the NBA players. Along with him being too small to play the 2 and not having the skill for the 1 but we seen overall Jimmer was skilled but despite his size he just didn't have the great ball handling and speed to create that true separation like he did in college. Heild will have that same issue but due to his size, off ball play and his shooting it makes him a better fit to the nba which is something Jimmer didn't have.
This post was edited on 3/20/16 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 3/20/16 at 9:27 pm to 504ByrdGang
If people are trying to compare Hield to Jimmer and using that as a point of concern, they haven't watched either player enough.
Hield is 20 pounds heavier, quicker, stronger, taller and has a larger wingspan.
Jimmer was a shooting guard in a point guards body. Hield is a shooting guard in a shooting guards body. He is pretty much league average across the board in terms of measurables. Jimmer was well below the league average for a shooting guard and he lacked the elite athleticism that is almost required for undersized shooting guards to succeed.
Hield is also a clearly superior shooter.
Hield is 20 pounds heavier, quicker, stronger, taller and has a larger wingspan.
Jimmer was a shooting guard in a point guards body. Hield is a shooting guard in a shooting guards body. He is pretty much league average across the board in terms of measurables. Jimmer was well below the league average for a shooting guard and he lacked the elite athleticism that is almost required for undersized shooting guards to succeed.
Hield is also a clearly superior shooter.
This post was edited on 3/20/16 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 3/20/16 at 9:32 pm to NOLA Bronco
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If people are trying to compare Hield to Jimmer they haven't watched either player.
Hield is 20 pounds heavier, quicker, stronger, taller and has a larger wingspan.
Jimmer was a shooting guard in a point guards body. Hield is a shooting guard in a shooting guards body. He is pretty much league average across the board in terms of measurables. Jimmer was well below the league average for a shooting guard and he lacked the elite athleticism that is almost required for undersized shooting guards to succeed.
Hield is also a clearly superior shooter.
You read nothing I typed. I said that exactly, Heild will be a decent player because he has the size to play the position. What I don't see being translated like Jimmer also had trouble bringing over to the NBA was dribbling to create space and scoring on drives. Due to them both not having a true good ball handling skill or the athleticism and quickness to get by their defender. What I do see him as is a good shooter who is masterful at moving off ball it the right system and a guy who can occasionally put it on the floor but not nearly what he does in college. Unless you feel that Heild will be a 20+ ppg scorer and at least a capable defender I rather a guy who could do more than just score.
This post was edited on 3/20/16 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 3/20/16 at 9:33 pm to 504ByrdGang
I wasnt necessarily speaking to you. Just in general. But because you have to reply to someone here to post, you happened to be the last one who posted.
As for Hield being able to be more then a jump shooter, I think he can. Just like any number of guys we are a trying to project out their growth trajectory, Hield has that in the cone of his possibilities. He is a solid one now. He is crafty and has continually rounded out his game in smart ways. Which is why he shoots above 50% from inside the arc.
You don't give him nearly enough credit for his game inside the arc. He has an advanced euro step, good spin moves, decent crossover, improved floater, and several smart moves that he can use to get to the rim and good decision making.
Improvement to me implies potentiel more then youth and Hield has been an incredible story of quality improvement.
As for Hield being able to be more then a jump shooter, I think he can. Just like any number of guys we are a trying to project out their growth trajectory, Hield has that in the cone of his possibilities. He is a solid one now. He is crafty and has continually rounded out his game in smart ways. Which is why he shoots above 50% from inside the arc.
You don't give him nearly enough credit for his game inside the arc. He has an advanced euro step, good spin moves, decent crossover, improved floater, and several smart moves that he can use to get to the rim and good decision making.
Improvement to me implies potentiel more then youth and Hield has been an incredible story of quality improvement.
This post was edited on 3/20/16 at 9:42 pm
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