re: Trade Possibilities?

Some of yall are missing the point of a BI trade. If we move him, it’s just as important to clear salary to pay Trey, which means we can’t take back long term contracts or guys that will immediately need to be paid too.

A trade such as BI for Dinwiddie (expiring 20m) and Finney-Smith(3/43m with player option left) are much more realistic than BI for another star.

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BI just needs to cut back on the middies and shoot more threes.

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Every single person knows this. Despite that, BI took ZERO threes in a loss against a team that was 6-14. This isn't a new concept. We are a quarter of the season in and he is still having games where he takes zero three's. We lose most of those games. It's inexcusable at this point.

I get your sadness but I also would say look at the young guys on this roster. I have never seen this franchise have so many young guys with impacting elite abilities such as Trey, Herb, Hawkins and even Dyson. I know trading BI doesn’t seem ideal but I truly with the young guys we have we’ll be much better position.

I mean the 3s issue with Ingram has constantly been addressed though hasn’t it? He’s averaging around 4 per game which he has been doing the last 2 years. Last year and especially this year they have constantly told Ingram to take more 3s.

He averaged around 6 under Gentry/SVG and was hitting near 39 percent. But also under SVG he had issues operating in that manner, specifically with Zion playing point. We’ll see how this plays out but if he doesn’t significantly increase his 3s; there just comes a time you have to accept who he is and whether its worth the money to bring him back.

Personally, I think Griffin will resign BI and blame the lack of threes on coaching likely replacing Willie especially if the team doesn’t have playoff success. I think thats a mistake- but it wouldn’t surprise me if thats what Griff did.

The only non-bigs that seem to shoot the 3 less is SGA and Butler. Durant is actually about the same as BI but hits them at a higher clip.

Just as frustrating to me as the lack of 3s is BI's refusal to initiate contact. Get the damn foul, then take the shot. Don't fade away from it.

BI's lack of 3 point shooting and his mid range game is not why he isn't a good fit.
We've won plenty of games b/c of his mid range shot. It's a necessary shot to have in your arsenal in order to close games out. You're going to see KD, Booker, Tatum, Butler, Luka, etc all take their man one on one and hit mid range shots late in games.

BI's bigger issue is his complete lack of giving a shite on defense. CJ is already not a good defender, and neither is Zion, although i think Zion can be better. When you have those 3 guys out there, the defense is just so terrible. It's one thing if BI was like CJ and tried and just wasn't that good, but he doesn't even try most of the time. Averaging 5 rebounds a game when you're as long as he is, is kinda pathetic. There are 44 guys averaging 20+ ppg right now. Here are the guys that average less rpg than BI's 5.2.
Jaylen Brown at 4.9
Zach Lavine at 4.9
Dejonte Murray at 4.1
DeRozan at 3.3
Jerami Grant at 3.2
Cade Cunningham at 3.2
Kyrie at 4.1
Bane at 4.4
Brunson at 3.7
Lillard at 4.6
Maxey at 4.6
Haliburton at 3.6
Fox at 4.7
Curry at 5.0
Trae Young at 2.9

9 of those 15 are PG's that shouldn't rebound more than BI, but some of them are actually close to him like Curry/Fox/Lillard, and they play for winning teams.
The 4 with pathetic numbers that are bigger guys, Grant/Derozan/Bane/Lavine, play for teams who aren't winning.



That's where my frustration with BI is, on the defensive side of the ball. He doesn't have the excuse that a Trae Young or Jalen Brunson has for not being a good defender. BI should be able to hold his own defensively against almost anyone on the court, but that sure as hell ain't happening. And if you actually watch us play, you can gaurantee BI's guy will go right around him for offensive rebounds a few times a game b/c BI rarely puts any effort into rebounding.

IF he just gave the effort on that end, i'd be fine with giving him a max extension, but i've rarely ever seen that effort from him.

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BI's lack of 3 point shooting and his mid range game is not why he isn't a good fit.

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It absolutely is when your other superstar doesn’t shoot threes and BI has the capability to do so but refuses to do it. It completely stunts your offense especially when your shooters are hurt. You’re essentially trading an inefficient mid ranger for 3 points. In todays NBA you aren’t going far if your best wing player is not wanting to shoot threes.

Ever since that meeting, BI defense and rebounding has improved. Frankly he’s actually trying compared to Zion. BI will never be a plus defender or solid rebounder. He’s never really been that his whole career. Its why I think KD comparisons are garbage, young KD was a great defender.

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It absolutely is when your other superstar doesn’t shoot threes and BI has the capability to do so but refuses to do it. It completely stunts your offense especially when your shooters are hurt.

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He's not shooting the 3 well right now. He's at 30%. Maybe him taking 6 3's a game isn't the best decision for him or the team. When he's shooting 38% from 3, like he did in 2020 and 2021, then he can take 6+ a game.
Are you seeing BI pass up wide open 3's when Zion kicks it out to him? I don't think that's happenign much. Zion and BI arne't playing together as much. Only half of their minutes played this season have been together. Their minutes are being staggered a good bit so one of them is on the court at all times. BI is playing PG basically when Zion is out, and he's looking for his shot more. I can't find the stats, but i'd bet the majority of BI's 3's are coming when Zion is on the court, not off.


BI is not a 3&D guy, but a lot of you are trying to make him be just that with Zion. Maybe the offense we are calling just isn't conducive to BI shooting more 3's. We run down screens all the time to free him up for open jumpers at the free throw line, not the 3 point line.

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BI will never be a plus defender or solid rebounder. He’s never really been that his whole career.

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I'm just asking to give the effort. I am more than aware that guys have their limitations on how good they can be defensively. But rebounding is just an efort thing. Like i said, every single game you see guys run right around BI and get offensive rebounds. There are tons of 20+ppg guys his size that rebound a good bit better than him. It's just effort, and that lack of effort contributes to losing more often than not.

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Ever since that meeting, BI defense and rebounding has improved.

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ehh, maybe a little. He was actually averaging more rebounds before it than after. It's still not good enough, and history tells me hes simply not going to try the majority of the time. If he couldnt' see the writing on the wall during the Team USA experience, i don't know what will ever make him see the light.

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He's not shooting the 3 well right now. He's at 30%

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I'm not terribly concerned about that, he's too good a shooter for that to sustain that poorly IMO

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Maybe him taking 6 3's a game isn't the best decision for him or the team.

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I get the idea of what you're saying, but I disagree because he's passing up on wide open 3s.

But ultimately, if I concede you are correct and he should not take more 3s, then he needs to attack the rim more, not continue to shoot mid mid/long range 2s. That is one way to compensate, when you pass up that, don't take 2 steps and shoot a 3 when you can attack the rim with a shot you make at over a 70% clip or pass out to an open 3.

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Are you seeing BI pass up wide open 3's when Zion kicks it out to him?

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Not sure about specifically Zion passes, but there's been quite a few examples where Pels talk game threads freak out, and Pels Twitter posts videos of all the wide open 3s BI passes up, so I do think it's happening too much.

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BI is not a 3&D guy, but a lot of you are trying to make him be just that with Zion

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Nah. The dude takes 18 shots per game, and folks are asking for 6 or 7 3s per game. That is not a 3&D guy.

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Game on the line, you have to give it to Zion to collapse the paint and either get a layup, fouled, or kick to a wide open shooter.

Ingram, as stated, will dribble and take an off balance 15 footer.

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100%


I still wonder what the heck the plan was on the last play against Utah. I wonder if Zion was not supposed to go so quickly and while you want Zion to be decisive and attack, him not being patient kind of screwed everything up. Otherwise, what a complete waste to have BI instead of Naji inbound the ball.

But ultimately, you 100% want Zion with the ball in his hands getting an efficient shot or collapsing the defense for someone else to take an efficient shot. Give me either of those options over a highly contested BI midrange shot.