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re: This board was wrong about Griff's drafting
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:07 pm to Kennerkarl
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:07 pm to Kennerkarl
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Who thought drafting him was a “miss” ?
Lots of people in January were pointing out that everyone picked above him was getting playing time and Kira was not. In our first 17 games, Kira played a grand total of 61 minutes. There were lots of threads about how Kira must not be very good if he can't get on the court.
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Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:11 pm to whatiknowsofar
Who said kira was a miss.
I'll admit i shitted on hayes but never on the other 2.
I'll admit i shitted on hayes but never on the other 2.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:12 pm to GOP_Tiger
I wouldn’t say it was lots of people. It was mostly, if not exclusively Teddy. And even he thought it was probably more Stan being the reason than Kira. He was mainly pointing out the lack of minutes was inexcusable more than calling Kira a bust.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:04 am to TigerinATL
Maybe if people on the board would wait more than a full season of basketball to label a project guy like Hayes a "bust", this wouldn't be such a surprise.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:15 am to SouthMSReb
Hayes was playing like a bust early on in the season. AD and Meyers indirectly confirmed it when they talked about how poor his play was coming into the season and the light switch flipped post new year's break. His mentality was holding him back and the difference since then has been nothing short of astounding.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:30 am to supe12sta12z
What I'm curious to see is has player development become a strength of the organization? Most of the young core showed good improvement this year. Lonzo built on last year. Zion, NAW, and Jaxson all turned corners this year. Kira has looked great for a rookie in limited minutes and shows both a pretty complete set of skills and good decision making.
Have the Pels built out a staff that's ready to take advantage of all of those "worthless" picks they accumulated? Can they keep developing the young core while finding the next generation? Didi is probably ready to come over and if there isn't a trade for a star or a vet, I'd expect at least 2 draft picks to join the team too. Can they develop 3 new players at the same time as they continue to help develop Zion/NAW/Jax/Kira?
Have the Pels built out a staff that's ready to take advantage of all of those "worthless" picks they accumulated? Can they keep developing the young core while finding the next generation? Didi is probably ready to come over and if there isn't a trade for a star or a vet, I'd expect at least 2 draft picks to join the team too. Can they develop 3 new players at the same time as they continue to help develop Zion/NAW/Jax/Kira?
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:37 am to TigerinATL
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I wouldn’t say it was lots of people. It was mostly, if not exclusively Teddy. And even he thought it was probably more Stan being the reason than Kira. He was mainly pointing out the lack of minutes was inexcusable more than calling Kira a bust.
thank you for your memory.
I liked the Kira pick, and i still like it.
My whole point was how stupid it was to not give him minutes, and to remind everyone else that no #13 pick or better had stepped foot in the G-League, so do'nt expect that.
While i did say if he can't get minutes, then he must not be good, that's not how i felt but merely how it's usually interpreted. I 100% blame it on Stan, and probably Griff that he took so long to get minutes. I mean it was clear as day when you looked at all the other rookies that were playing so much more than him.
I do'nt recall anyone saying picking Kira was a bad pick.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:38 am to TigerinATL
I'm going to say no. Drafting guys like Zaire Williams and Kai Jones type would be difficult to develop because the staff's attention would be on Zion, Hayes, and Kira. They can draft for upside but the skillset must already be there as well as BBIQ, and feel... Kinda like another Kira type of selection.
I think they won't be looking to draft project type of prospects for awhile.
I think they won't be looking to draft project type of prospects for awhile.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:44 am to TigerinATL
I guess based on current precedent the answer would probably be yes....But I wouldn’t be 100% confident.
Since we are in fact seeing Zion, BI, Hayes, NAW, Kira, and Lonzo all showing meaningful progression and no real sense that any one person is being neglected. I think that speaks well at some level, especially given the crazy circumstances of the season, that player development is being managed well. And you would also imagine that given the emphasis on growing our G league presence and comments by Griff, going forward post covid, you’d expect one or more draft picks to end up playing significant time there.
Though I have strong doubts Didi ever steps foot on an NBA court, let alone for the Pels. Guy has seemingly regressed from his already underwhelming rookie season with the Kings. He’s shooting just 36% from the field, 25% from three, and 47% from the ft line.
Since we are in fact seeing Zion, BI, Hayes, NAW, Kira, and Lonzo all showing meaningful progression and no real sense that any one person is being neglected. I think that speaks well at some level, especially given the crazy circumstances of the season, that player development is being managed well. And you would also imagine that given the emphasis on growing our G league presence and comments by Griff, going forward post covid, you’d expect one or more draft picks to end up playing significant time there.
Though I have strong doubts Didi ever steps foot on an NBA court, let alone for the Pels. Guy has seemingly regressed from his already underwhelming rookie season with the Kings. He’s shooting just 36% from the field, 25% from three, and 47% from the ft line.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 10:47 am
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:48 am to SammyTiger
I missed the Rockets game, was this game a shining moment for Hayes?
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:50 am to Honest Man
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was this game a shining moment for Hayes?
Yes, there's a clip to highlights near the bottom of the first page LINK /
Posted on 4/6/21 at 12:20 pm to whatiknowsofar
Most people loved the NAW pick and potential so you’re wrong on that point
Posted on 4/6/21 at 12:22 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Lots of people in January were pointing out that everyone picked above him was getting playing time and Kira was not.
as a way of criticizing SVG not Kira...
Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:03 pm to TigerinATL
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Have the Pels built out a staff that's ready to take advantage of all of those "worthless" picks they accumulated? Can they keep developing the young core while finding the next generation? Didi is probably ready to come over and if there isn't a trade for a star or a vet, I'd expect at least 2 draft picks to join the team too. Can they develop 3 new players at the same time as they continue to help develop Zion/NAW/Jax/Kira?
I think that we have to do that, because we now have to re-sign Lonzo.
If there's one thing that we know that we need around Zion, it's shooters, and Lonzo has developed into an elite 3-pt shooter. He started the season only OK, but since February 1st, he's shot 86 of 199 from 3, which is 43.2%. There's no reason to think that he'll be anything less than a 40% shooter for the rest of his career. And he's doing it on volume too -- he's tied for 22nd in the league in made 3s. So, we are just about forced to re-sign him at market price.
The more inevitable that the Lonzo re-signing becomes, the less likely it becomes that we never make the big trade this summer (or even this upcoming season). Instead, we re-sign Lonzo, and we let him, Zion, BI, NAW, Jaxson, and Kira grow together -- and see if they can grow into contenders.
So, if we aren't using a bunch of our picks to get another star this summer, what else are we going to do with them? Well, we might use one to attach to Bledsoe and hope to get a good player back in return, but at worst, I could see us packaging our two high 2nds is such a deal.
That would still leave us with two picks at minimum. We basically have to use them at this point. In the last draft, Griff traded picks back so that they could be used in a blockbuster trade, but if that's not going to happen, then it's best to go ahead and draft some more young guys and see what we get.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 3:36 pm to GOP_Tiger
Yeah the thing with Lonzo is everyone is talking about Kispert and his spacing, and while I do like him, what is the one thing everyone complains about him? His lower ceiling defensively.
I think it can be a bit better than people give him credit for, but he will never be more than a a slightly better version of JJ because of his better length and size. Which a good team defender with a good IQ, but overall average when incorporating his individual defense at his peak is not great, but doable. Like how the Clippers had top ten defenses despite Blake and JJ not being great individual defenders.
But Lonzo basically is that already, just at SG instead of SF.
I’ve wanted to see how he looks once teams throw better defenders at him and really contest his shooting, and so far he’s passed with flying colors. Bradley was trying(and occasionally succeeding) to be in his grill all game and he kept knocking them down one after another. And right before the injury defenses were starting to adjust here and there.
Frankly it almost seems like he shoots a bit better when he’s getting respected as a shooter.
I think it can be a bit better than people give him credit for, but he will never be more than a a slightly better version of JJ because of his better length and size. Which a good team defender with a good IQ, but overall average when incorporating his individual defense at his peak is not great, but doable. Like how the Clippers had top ten defenses despite Blake and JJ not being great individual defenders.
But Lonzo basically is that already, just at SG instead of SF.
I’ve wanted to see how he looks once teams throw better defenders at him and really contest his shooting, and so far he’s passed with flying colors. Bradley was trying(and occasionally succeeding) to be in his grill all game and he kept knocking them down one after another. And right before the injury defenses were starting to adjust here and there.
Frankly it almost seems like he shoots a bit better when he’s getting respected as a shooter.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 3:45 pm to Bronc
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Frankly it almost seems like he shoots a bit better when he’s getting respected as a shooter.
my theory is hes not as self conscious if he has to deal with a defender up in him.
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