re: There has to be another trade in the works b/c this one makes no sense.

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CJ needed to be moved. Poole really isn't a bad return for him, I just don't think he's what we need on our team, at least not at $30M/yr and starting. 

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Over the last 24 hours I have gotten more excited every time I think about the trade and end up liking it more and more.

I think fans are just confused by why we did it while we should be focusing on other holes in the roster. It was definitely random and doesn't necessarily change anything from a roster construction standpoint. But he does have a very high ceiling and is entering his prime. Great move and it makes me excited to see what else we have up our sleeve considering how out of pocket that move was.

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You said he’s not a good shooter as CJ but then say he’s the same player as CJ?

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Correct.

Klay Thompson is not as good a shooter as Steph Curry.
Would you like to call Klay Thompson not good like you think i'm doing?


When i say he's the same player, i mean he's a smaller offensive guard who isn't really a PG but can play with the ball in his hands and create at times. Always a threat from 3 and a terrible defender both making $30M/yr.

The one thing i do like about Poole is that he's not going to waste time shooting mid range shots. Less than 10% of his shots come from 10' to the 3 point line last year, where as CJ has always been closer to 30%. Poole has been around 15% for his career, which is significantly less than CJ.

They are both good shooters, but they are different types of shooters imo. CJ is the type of player that can garner attention off the ball b/c of his ability to move off screens and catch and shoot quickly and from any catching position. That is a skill set not many shooters possess, and it's one that helps create spacing for the offense even when he doesn't have the ball.
What Poole excels at is off the dribble 3's, which is also a skillset that not many shooters possess, including CJ. He was actually better off the dribble than on catch and shoot 3's this past year, which is abnormal. Maybe that was an outlier of a season, or maybe he's worked on his craft and that's who he'll be going forward. That is a skillset i can see working really well with Zion in the PnR.


I"m not unhappy with the trade from a value standpoint, I just don't think it was a move that makes much sense, unless they see Jordan Poole as someone who's going to get to an all-star level playing with Zion.

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But he does have a very high ceiling
He does? He'll be going into his 7th season, I think it's safe to say we know what his ceiling is and it's pretty much the guy he was last year.

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23' 7.8 3pts 33.6%
24' 7.2 3pts 32.6%
25' 9.1 3pts 37.8%

Yeah you must be right 33% on 7.5 attempts compared to 38% on 9 attempts is just arse and shows no improvement..... Smh

He also played less minutes per average last year than the previous 2 years. If he plays like he did last year or continues to improve then we are in great shape.

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I mean how did you come to the conclusion that I think he was arse based on my post?

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I think it's safe to say we know what his ceiling

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You definitely aren't optimistic. How can you see the improvement there and just assume he is what he is and won't get better at 26 coming off his best season?

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Probably the same way no one thought BI could improve his shot selection and take more 3's as a 27 year old.

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That was a fun argument. Almost as funny as the group that didn't think he would make > 30mil.

BTW I made a BI trade a while back that included Aaron Nesmith + Mathurin/ Membhard for BI and this board absolutely hated it. Everyone here has 100% locked opinions with very little ability to be persuaded.

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Has CJ looked like he was on the decline?

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yes... his 3P% was the lowest ever in a Pelican uniform, missed more time than ever before due to injury (he ain't getting younger), APG was lowest ever in Pels uniform, RPG lowest too....

so yeah, the numbers bear it out....he has declined...

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just thought we'd add a better piece when moving CJ

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what sort of value did you thnk McCollum really had? seems like you were overvaluing him b/c he played for us, vs looking at the reality that his value just isn't that high among the league...

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What I'm saying is what i was hoping for was to trade CJ and the plethora of assets we have to improve the team and get back more in a CJ trade.

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I'd argue that trading CJ with nearly no assets to get a younger potential franchise SG is just as valuable as getting a mid rookie contract and mediocre future 1st.

Right now Jordan Poole would be 3rd option on this team with Murray 4th, Herb 5th. If we can add another player that becomes our 2nd or 3rd option and moves Poole to option #4 then we 100% got better and are in a good position.

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Wouldnt you have rathered explore a trade of CJ/Herb/picks and get back someone like Darius Garland?
That's what I was more wanting to do

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No. And it wouldn't be smart to pair PG Garland with PG Murray as that is the exact reason CLE will trade him. I was actually starting to warm up to the idea of drafting CJ's replacement and giving CJ a cheaper extension because it would be worth it for a 20ppg guy even if he ended up off the bench in a year. And then adding a stud Center.

I would have rathered to keep CJ/ Herb and trade Murray with picks for a stud. Or ideally it was Herb/ Olynyk/ Jose but we don't have Olynyk's can space anymore.

With my scenario we ended up in a better position because Poole is arguably better going forward than CJ and could also be his long term replacement, all while we can still make a trade for that other stud.

I don't think the Wizards deal is official yet. We could do something sneaky like send (2) 1st and Jose to CLE for Jarrett Allen and add him into the Wizards deal to make the salary work.

Adding Jarrett Allen while being able to keep Murray and Herb is by far the best trade we could currently make without blowing anything up and getting way better.

Something like #23/ 28'/ Jose for Allen added in as a 3rd team.