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re: The SKC is about to start falling apart

Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:02 pm to
Posted by tzimme4
Metairie
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:02 pm to
New Orleans would lose a lot of big events if they lost their professional teams. Super Bowl is one
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17410 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 10:02 am to
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But we've had a 2nd round team

Yeah, the year Boogie tore his Achilles, and the year they were fully prepared to pay the tax until that happened.
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we've had a 49 win team,

Yeah, last season… were paying the tax this season to keep that team…
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11224 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 12:31 pm to
I don't understand how people view teams as passion projects, where an owner is supposed to spend lavishly (recklessly) and operate at a loss. It is a business, it should be profitable.

I just read an article about going into the luxury tax and how she would have to sell off pieces of the team to fund it (to get cash). PE firms are targeting teams as investments. I would just hate to see that happen.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13490 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 3:12 pm to
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I just read an article about going into the luxury tax and how she would have to sell off pieces of the team to fund it (to get cash).
I would like to read that. Can you provide link? Seems a bit far fetched.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11224 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 4:48 pm to
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would like to read that. Can you provide link? Seems a bit far fetched.


LINK

From the article..

"The Bensons bought the team for $338 million. It is now worth over $1.6 billion. Investment groups do not pay premiums for non-controlling, silent stakes. Still, selling a 5% stake would likely fetch between $65-$80 million, according to several league sources familiar with these investments.

Granted, this money would not all go towards roster upgrades and luxury tax bills, but it would signal the fans that everything is being done to build a winning team. Someone willing to pay the luxury tax to ensure deep playoff runs for a few years."
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 9/6/24 at 6:38 pm to
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The Bensons bought the team for $338 million. It is now worth over $1.6 billion.


This is out of date. The Forbes list has them at $2.5 Billion now. I’m not sure when it was updated though because I’m pretty sure I remember a $1.5ish figure last October when it came out.
LINK
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11224 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:11 pm to
The article is a little over a year ago, after last offseason. I'm sure they could get over 2B in a sale, unless they were somehow obligated to keep the team in the area.

I know that Simmons stated that the league was trying to push the Celtics sale price to 5 or 6B (a team that doesn't own its arena). That way the expansion fees would be higher, when the league expanded, hence bigger cuts for the owners. I'm sure they do not want the Pelicans to come up for sale for awhile, which might undercut them. Otherwise, it would be cheaper to buy/move the Pelicans, rather than start an expansion team (possibly half as much)..
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13490 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 11:12 pm to
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LINK

From the article..

"The Bensons bought the team for $338 million. It is now worth over $1.6 billion. Investment groups do not pay premiums for non-controlling, silent stakes. Still, selling a 5% stake would likely fetch between $65-$80 million, according to several league sources familiar with these investments.

Granted, this money would not all go towards roster upgrades and luxury tax bills, but it would signal the fans that everything is being done to build a winning team. Someone willing to pay the luxury tax to ensure deep playoff runs for a few years."
Did I miss it? I did not read where it said she would have to sell off assets in order to be able to raise the cash to pay the luxury tax.
This post was edited on 9/6/24 at 11:13 pm
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
31947 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 11:18 pm to
Someone who restructures contracts and gives large signing bonuses have the cash to sign checks. It's bs made up stories.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11224 posts
Posted on 9/7/24 at 6:15 am to
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Did I miss it? I did not read where it said she would have to sell off assets in order to be able to raise the cash to pay the luxury


Do you believe that the team has reserves that could cover additional costs? The team does not generate a ton of cash, in comparison to other teams. The most recent figure I saw for total revenue was 262M, which is well below league average. The players receive over 60% of the pie, operating costs are not cheap. Then people want her to build new facilities, enlarge payroll, fund an arena, and get the best staff. I don't see how all of that is viable. The money has to come from the team somehow..

Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13490 posts
Posted on 9/7/24 at 9:42 am to
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Do you believe that the team has reserves that could cover additional costs? The team does not generate a ton of cash, in comparison to other teams. The most recent figure I saw for total revenue was 262M, which is well below league average. The players receive over 60% of the pie, operating costs are not cheap. Then people want her to build new facilities, enlarge payroll, fund an arena, and get the best staff. I don't see how all of that is viable. The money has to come from the team somehow..
Do you think large corporations run only on cash sitting in their drawers? If she needed cash, do you not think she would qualify for a line of credit? It is silly to think that she is so cash poor that she would have to start selling off assets to pay a luxury tax bill. That is an odd assumption.
This post was edited on 9/7/24 at 9:43 am
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13490 posts
Posted on 9/7/24 at 9:44 am to
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Someone who restructures contracts and gives large signing bonuses have the cash to sign checks. It's bs made up stories.
Exactly, some of the signing bonuses given the NFL players are more than a potential luxury tax bill for one season in the NBA.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11224 posts
Posted on 9/7/24 at 12:12 pm to
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Do you think large corporations run only on cash sitting in their drawers?


I believe that they are budgeted and only make moves that generate more revenue. I am sure that the team has cash on hand/reserves.

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If she needed cash, do you not think she would qualify for a line of credit?


I'm sure people are lining up to lend the team cash, even at rates well below market. But I don't think they would take on any debt, that isn't short-term. Unless it is part of a larger plan, like a capital construction project that takes multiple years.

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It is silly to think that she is so cash poor that she would have to start selling off assets to pay a luxury tax bill. That is an odd assumption.


I don't spend others people money or demand how they should allocate. If we want her to spend, the team needs to make more money. Or people need to exhibit how spending this money will generate greater results. If we go above the tax lime by 5M, we lose the bonus for being below (someone said it was 15M) plus whatever the tax penalty. Can you or any guarantee that extra 20-22M is going to result in more succes? That's a lot of money, even for a billionaire.

This is the reality for how small market teams, with responsible owners operate. Even the Warriors are smarting up and changing their model. They make almost triple the revenue of the Pelicans and are scaling back. There is definitely a time to gamble, to go for it. This team, right now, isn't that time..
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13490 posts
Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:25 pm to
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There is definitely a time to gamble, to go for it. This team, right now, isn't that time..
I can see that as a legitimate stance. However, your claim that in order to pay the luxury tax, Gayle would have to sell off assets is what I completely disagree with and it is far from accurate.
This post was edited on 9/7/24 at 11:28 pm
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11224 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:34 am to
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However, your claim that in order to pay the luxury tax, Gayle would have to sell off assets is what I completely disagree with and it is far from accurate.


You and I obviously view a business in different ways. Yes, she has wealth and money. But that is separate from the team and how it is financed. The money would/should come from the organization. There are many ways that she can generate additional funds. Selling off shares is a primary source and a very common practice..
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112626 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:59 pm to
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I don't spend others people money or demand how they should allocate. If we want her to spend, the team needs to make more money
What were the Pelicans net profits last season?

And what were they yearly over the last few seasons?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112626 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 4:01 pm to
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Selling off shares is a primary source and a very common practice..
Is it for NBA owners who own 100% of a team?

Can you provide examples and where I can read up on that?
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13490 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 4:36 pm to
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Selling off shares is a primary source and a very common practice..
Which owners have sold off parts of their teams to pay the luxury tax?
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17410 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 4:38 pm to
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What were the Pelicans net profits last season?

This is not disclosed by teams, they have an operating income online that adds up to around 400 million for the past 12 years since the Bensons purchased the team, but again that is not profits as operating income only includes what’s left after what it costs to run the team itself. It doesn’t include projects like building practice facilities, taxes, stadium expenses etc. If I had to give a rough estimate I would say the Pelicans average probably around 10-15 million a year in actual profits, and that is including the luxury tax payouts they have been receiving, which without those the team is likely losing money even if they don’t pay the tax.
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 4:39 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112626 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 8:49 pm to
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This is not disclosed by teams
So brmark saying the Pels need to make more to expect Benson to spend more is just completely made up...
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