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The Pelicans need a PG. It’s been 13 years since CP3 left. Possibly Dejounte Murray?
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:31 pm
It’s been 13 years since our last great PG left. Since then we have made the playoffs only three times. And only once made it to the second round when we brought in a washed up has been in Rajon Rondo to run point. Tyreke Evans is not a PG, Jrue Holiday is not a PG, Zion is not a PG. All of the organizational issues you see, the hero ball, the struggles in end of game situations….thats because we are playing without a ball handler.
I don’t know who that guy is. But the Pels should look, they should pick, and they should not take no for an answer.
And just stepping back and looking at the roster, that means CJ’s spot, both on the court and on our financial books. I believe that even with an arguably “worse” statistical player, a real PG would make the sum of the parts so much more.
I throw out Dejounte Murray as a possibly achievable candidate. 6’5 and 27 years old. Even playing next to a ball dominant Trae Young, Murray is 21.2, 5.6 and 4.7 per 36. His last year with the Spurs as the main point guard, he was 21.9, 9.5 assists and 8.6 rebounds. And he’s a very good point of attack defender.
I know CJ has played well. I know people will scream “shooting!”. Get a guy to run the offense, and Trey, BI, Zion, Jonas etc will make it hum.
I don’t know who that guy is. But the Pels should look, they should pick, and they should not take no for an answer.
And just stepping back and looking at the roster, that means CJ’s spot, both on the court and on our financial books. I believe that even with an arguably “worse” statistical player, a real PG would make the sum of the parts so much more.
I throw out Dejounte Murray as a possibly achievable candidate. 6’5 and 27 years old. Even playing next to a ball dominant Trae Young, Murray is 21.2, 5.6 and 4.7 per 36. His last year with the Spurs as the main point guard, he was 21.9, 9.5 assists and 8.6 rebounds. And he’s a very good point of attack defender.
I know CJ has played well. I know people will scream “shooting!”. Get a guy to run the offense, and Trey, BI, Zion, Jonas etc will make it hum.
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:43 pm to PELsu
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a real PG would make the sum of the parts so much more.
For sure, don’t know about Murray but I’d much rather have BI and Zion as finishers. The need for a true point even trumps the need for a post defender who can move their feet if you can believe that.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:50 pm to PELsu
Just my opinion...as long as the Pels have Zion & BI...a normal old-school PG would be pretty much a waste. There's only one ball...and that ball is gonna spend most of it's time in the hands of either Zion or BI. I'm tryin' to imagine CP3, in his prime, playing WITH Zion and BI...sorry...ain't NO way.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:57 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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.a normal old-school PG would be pretty much a waste.
Think more Mike Conley Dink, Pels are asking BI and Zion to facilitate, but who’s facilitating for them? Conley makes life so much easier for Kat and Ant, but Pels ask their two guys to create for themselves.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:03 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Disagree. We have enough of a sample size to see that these guys don't know how to attack and hunt for matchups in the crunch. They play checkers and try to out talent the opposing teams. We need a PG who can settle these guys down and calls plays/actions to hunt mishmatches and actually get the ball where it needs to be. Letting BI/Z make those decisions in the crunch has not been good enough.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:08 pm to Pistol44
Luved Conley, in his prime...could even play some solid D.
To be honest...I just don't see how the Pels can make ANY major moves...until the smoke clears at the end of this season...& the Pels have decided whether to keep their Dynamic Duo...or not.
You don't really know what you "need"...until you know what you've "got". Pels are facing a huge decision...in the near future.
To be honest...I just don't see how the Pels can make ANY major moves...until the smoke clears at the end of this season...& the Pels have decided whether to keep their Dynamic Duo...or not.
You don't really know what you "need"...until you know what you've "got". Pels are facing a huge decision...in the near future.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:16 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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To be honest...I just don't see how the Pels can make ANY major moves.
Some fan favorites may have to go.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:17 pm to PELsu
Dyson and Larry Nance to WSH for Tyus Jones
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:17 pm to PELsu
What would it take to get Tyus Jones from Washington?
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:18 pm to supe12sta12z
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Letting BI/Z make those decisions in the crunch has not been good enough.
Make no mistake...I don't think BI or Zion are capable of making decisions in the crunch. At least...not GOOD decisions. But...I just can't see either of them just stepping back & letting some PG come in & take over much of the ball-handling. Be some pretty serious "pouting" goin' on...by our Dynamic Duo.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:20 pm to Dinky Mulberry
I would also throw out CP3 himself with Blake Griffin. We saw Zion get those easy baskets with Lonzo. And as much as I like the player, Lonzo didn’t know the first thing about running an offense.
I really like Darius Garland of course, but he’ll never shake loose. And yes, of course we had our shot to have him.
I don’t feel you can win long term with Trae Young. Especially while also accounting for Zions deficiencies.
Tyus Jones would be a bold and scary move to me.
It’s really hard to find the right fit. Murray at least is a guy I feel has more in him still.
I really like Darius Garland of course, but he’ll never shake loose. And yes, of course we had our shot to have him.
I don’t feel you can win long term with Trae Young. Especially while also accounting for Zions deficiencies.
Tyus Jones would be a bold and scary move to me.
It’s really hard to find the right fit. Murray at least is a guy I feel has more in him still.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:25 pm to Pistol44
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Some fan favorites may have to go.
Yep...for example...depending on what the Pels think of Herb and/or Dyson's potential development on the offensive end...I could see either or both being moved.
Pels' "moves" (or non-moves) over the next year or so...will make or break them...for probably the next 5 years or more.
This post was edited on 12/27/23 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:43 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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Pels' "moves" over the next year or so
Pels are a team full of ‘One-way’ players. Elite or near elite on one end and bad on the other…. (pick or choose offense/defense). Question's that should be asked is why aren’t BI and Zion getting near 60 per night like other big Duos? If they were, Herb/Dyson make a lot more sense. Pels got Zion and BI facilitating for Herb, Naji, Dyson, and Jose …. and I love those players.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:44 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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Make no mistake...I don't think BI or Zion are capable of making decisions in the crunch. At least...not GOOD decisions. But...I just can't see either of them just stepping back & letting some PG come in & take over much of the ball-handling. Be some pretty serious "pouting" goin' on...by our Dynamic Duo.
BI is the "PG" for the team. If he can't cut it in crunch time as a PG then he needs to go. You already have the replacement for his off ball skill sets in Trey.
As much as people are upset at the recent failures of the Pels, what we need to see are honest results from a healthy team so the front office can see what they have and don't have. If the Pels top talents aren't good enough, painful losses to bad teams are what we want, not close losses to good teams you can rationalize and ignore the root causes of.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 2:05 pm to PELsu
Dejonte Murray and Markannen to Pels
Zion to Hawks
Deandre Hunter, Kira, and 2 Hawks 1sts to Jazz
Zion to Hawks
Deandre Hunter, Kira, and 2 Hawks 1sts to Jazz
Posted on 12/27/23 at 2:08 pm to MrBarry
This team needs a penetrator. Zion can do it sometimes. Jose as well. No one else can get in the lane at will and make the defense bend.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 2:11 pm to MrBarry
quote:Jazz gonna demand wayyyyy more for Lauri.
Deandre Hunter, Kira, and 2 Hawks 1sts to Jazz
Posted on 12/27/23 at 2:12 pm to hkc
No guard is going to be able to consistently penetrate deep into the lane with Z, BI, and JV on the floor with them.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 2:21 pm to shel311
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Jazz gonna demand wayyyyy more for Lauri.
I can't see the Hawks giving up much more than that. probably another 1st, but that's it.
If Utah wanted more, it would have to come from us, and i can't see us sending out picks when we are the ones sending out Zion.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 4:13 pm to TigerinATL
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BI is the "PG" for the team
I’d say co-point with Zion and CJ handling secondary responsibility, and they defer most times to Zion in the 4th. Regardless, I don’t believe that most folk understand that the point is the most physically challenging position on the court from a conditioning standpoint and Zion runs out of gas resulting in turnovers or injury. BI doesn’t have the lateral quickness or pace to play the position full time and CJ doesn’t have the court vision.
You end up taking your elite finishers and putting them in awkward positions, taking difficult shots at end game, particularly when teams turn up the defensive pressure.
This post was edited on 12/27/23 at 5:16 pm
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