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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:08 am to Mad Scientist26
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:08 am to Mad Scientist26
quote:DD would easily be more of a core bench player in the playoffs most of the time over Jose.
I would for his trade value and also I’m not sure where exactly would he fit long term? He’s more than likely never going to start with Herb, Trey, and Zion as the long term wing starters. Also, you have Jose (defense and energy PG) and Hawk (shooter off the bench) along with maybe Nance who are more than likely to be the core bench players in a playoff situation. He has elite defensive potential but I think it’s best to trade him when he’s value is high either this offseason or before the trade deadline.
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Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:41 am to Dinky Mulberry
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It's called "DEFENSE" !!! They have probably 7 players in their lineup who are much better defensively than anybody the Pelicans have. (Barring Herb of course & not counting Dyson since he couldn't get on the court this year)
Its called they have 2 Alphas that rise the tide of all boats.
Not one team with a Herb Jones or DD made it to the Conference Finals.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:52 am to 50_Tiger
Jrue’s older but still All Defense quality. And he helped make the difference for the Celtics.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 12:14 pm to 50_Tiger
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Its called they have 2 Alphas that rise the tide of all boats.
Not one team with a Herb Jones or DD made it to the Conference Finals
What the frick does this even mean.
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Not one team with a Herb Jones or DD made it to the Conference Finals
What is Jrue and Derrick White?
Their (2) "alphas" are backed up by (2) great/elite level perimeter defenders
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 6/18/24 at 12:24 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:
Its called they have 2 Alphas that rise the tide of all boats.
Lakers couldn’t get out of the first round with 2 A+ players. Still have to have a supporting cast.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 12:42 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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Amazing to me that folks can watch the Celtics basically walk through the playoffs and NOT understand how they did it.
It's called "DEFENSE" !!! They have probably 7 players in their lineup who are much better defensively than anybody the Pelicans have. (Barring Herb of course & not counting Dyson since he couldn't get on the court this year)
They became a better defensive team by trading all nba defenders in Marcus Smart and Robert Williams for better offensive players in Derrick White and Porzingas. Horford had plenty of defensive issues in Phillly, and Porzingas was seen as awful defensively at previous stops.
Taking good shots always makes defense easier. There is a reason Mazulla focused on shot selection and offensive rebounding during every timeout. He repeatedly stated "our defense starts by taking good shots". No team works harder at getting good shots than the Celtics. And their guards are always crashing the offensive boards, creating even more good shots.
Shot selection and offensive rebounding are much bigger issues for New Orleans than lack of defensive talent.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 6/18/24 at 12:52 pm to Townedrunkard
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Lakers couldn’t get out of the first round with 2 A+ players. Still have to have a supporting cast.
They won a title
Posted on 6/18/24 at 12:53 pm to Dantheman504
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What is Jrue?
No shot you are putting Herb and DD in Jrue's category
Posted on 6/18/24 at 12:54 pm to mhasen1
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They became a better defensive team by trading all nba defenders in Marcus Smart and Robert Williams for better offensive players in Derrick White and Porzingas. Horford had plenty of defensive issues in Phillly, and Porzingas was seen as awful defensively at previous stops.
Taking good shots always makes defense easier. There is a reason Mazulla focused on shot selection and offensive rebounding during every timeout. He repeatedly stated "our defense starts by taking good shots". No team works harder at getting good shots than the Celtics. And their guards are always crashing the offensive boards, creating even more good shots.
Shot selection and offensive rebounding are much bigger issues for New Orleans than lack of defensive talent.
You said it better than I could have ever
Posted on 6/18/24 at 12:56 pm to 50_Tiger
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What is Jrue?
No shot you are putting Herb and DD in Jrue's category ?
No shot I would ever try to make a defensive connection between (3) very good defenders and (2) top 5 permiter defenders. Absolutely no category or connection there. Not even a single impact on how they play.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 1:03 pm to mhasen1
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They became a better defensive team by trading all nba defenders in Marcus Smart
They also replaced Smart with Jrue who is a better defender.
Derrick White also improved his defense greatly.
Taking more 3's does make it easier to get set on defense than everyone running paint to paint.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 6/18/24 at 1:18 pm to Dantheman504
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So the argument that "defense matters" is false because they traded Marcus Smart (an all nba defender) for Jrue (a better defender than Smart)?
And then its phrased like they upgraded "offense" with Derrick White like he wasn't a top level perimeter defender this year.
Worst argument ever.
No. The argument is that shot selection and offensive rebounding are why the Celtics dominated Dallas and great defensive teams like Minnesota and OKC were dominated by Dallas. Creating easy opportunities to score is just as important as preventing easy opportunities to score. The Pelicans focus heavily on preventing easy opportunities to score while completely neglecting any focus on creating easy opportunities to score.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 1:23 pm to mhasen1
Yeah I changed the post ^^^
I agree with you. But we can't act like Derrick White improving his defense + a Jrue for Smart swap didn't play a big part in that.
I agree with you. But we can't act like Derrick White improving his defense + a Jrue for Smart swap didn't play a big part in that.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 1:39 pm to mhasen1
Derrick White stats with Boston 3 years:
21-22' .75 Stl .8 blk 11pts
22-23' .7 Stl .9 blk 12pts
23-24' 1.O Stl 1.2 blk 15pts
He essentially increased his production by 20-30% across the board. Defense elite level this year.
Caruso: 1.7. stl 1.0 blk 10pts
Herb: 1.4. stl .8 blk 11pts
Mystery player who is 5-8 years younger than all of these guys:
1.4stl .4blk 6pts
21-22' .75 Stl .8 blk 11pts
22-23' .7 Stl .9 blk 12pts
23-24' 1.O Stl 1.2 blk 15pts
He essentially increased his production by 20-30% across the board. Defense elite level this year.
Caruso: 1.7. stl 1.0 blk 10pts
Herb: 1.4. stl .8 blk 11pts
Mystery player who is 5-8 years younger than all of these guys:
1.4stl .4blk 6pts
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 6/18/24 at 1:50 pm to Dantheman504
For anyone that wants to trade Dyson but wants Caruso, please go compare their stats.
The first (2) years so far are very comparable. The only difference would be that Caruso was 23-25 y/o and Dyson 19-21 y/o.
The first (2) years so far are very comparable. The only difference would be that Caruso was 23-25 y/o and Dyson 19-21 y/o.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:30 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:
They won a title
Remind me how many ships they won after they got rid of D first guys like KCP, Caruso and Howard?
Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:33 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:Jrue
Not one team with a Herb Jones or DD made it to the Conference Finals.
Derrick White
Jaden McDaniels
Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:37 pm to mhasen1
quote:This would be a good point if Dallas didn't score under 100 points in 4 of 5 playoff games, after only doing so 7 times all season.
No. The argument is that shot selection and offensive rebounding are why the Celtics dominated Dallas and great defensive teams like Minnesota and OKC were dominated by Dallas
The Celtics weren't really good offensively in the Finals. They won the Finals overwhelmingly on the defensive side of the ball.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:47 pm to shel311
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quote:Not one team with a Herb Jones or DD made it to the Conference Finals. Jrue Derrick White Jaden McDaniels
I mean, Derrick Jones falls in this category but worse
Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:52 pm to PELsu
quote:Is he considered elite on defense?
I mean, Derrick Jones falls in this category but worse
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