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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:37 pm to mhasen1
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:37 pm to mhasen1
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They're rare enough to not belong in this conversation. BI is a 19/4/5 guy who plays 60 games a year.
Hes literally making up that hes a career 25 point guy thats never avgd 25 points in his career lol
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Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:37 pm to Pels_Yaz
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So he can’t lose ground when hes playing horrible?
Now you’re really outing yourself as a BI stans
You need to read the comment I actually replied to.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:37 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Hes literally making up that hes a career 25 point guy
I never said he was a "career" 25 point guy.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:38 pm to Townedrunkard
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Ones a legit first option
Neither are legit 1st options. They're both #2s at their ceiling.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The Hawks didn't even make it out of the play-in, right? In the shitty arse East
We barely made it in and got swept. BI stats when he came back were atrocious. You’re not even recognizing that. Instead you have inflated
BIs value lol
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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BI was already ahead of him
He didn't need to gain any ground to be ahead of him.
In the last ranking where they were both healthy Trae was 24 and BI was 30. Trae played one game after that and was injured, he didn't return until after the last ranking was released. Did his performance in that one game where he got injured lower his talent from 24 to 31 to 35?
When they were both healthy this season, The Ringer had Trae ranked above BI.
ETA: they also lowered BI by 2 spots when he got injured.
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:41 pm to Pels_Yaz
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We barely made it in
In a much stronger West
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BI stats when he came back were atrocious.
Yes, he had a bad series. He was hurt and Zion was out.
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You’re not even recognizing that. Instead you have inflated
BIs value lol
I posted an unbiased, non-Pel view of his value (compared to Trae) and y'all are having a melt about it. Nothing about him coming back hurt without Zion is going to flip those rankings, especially when Trae himself wasn't good to end the year.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I never said he was a "career" 25 point guy.
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But, as for BI, 25/5/5 guys with good shooting and 3-level scoring are rare.
Hes never averaged 25 points in his career. The lies are catching up to you.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:42 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Hes never averaged 25 points in his career. The lies are catching up to you.
We'll table this until he's on his next team with a better offensive coach. I may have been a bit optimistic.
23/5/5. 1 FG different. He did similar 4 years in a row prior to this season when Zion finally played.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Neither are legit 1st options. They're both #2s at their ceiling.
So a first option #2 got to the ECF finals. Playoffs another year in which he lost to the eventual ECF team.
What has BI done in the playoffs again? Got swept by a team that couldn’t even get past the 2nd round.,
Pretty good resume for a #2 as you say. BI was on a playin team as a true # 2 this year. Tells you the difference.
And the other year he made the playoffs, it was a total fluke b/c the West was historically bad.
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 5/21/24 at 1:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I posted an unbiased, non-Pel view of his value (compared to Trae) and y'all are having a melt about it. Nothing about him coming back hurt without Zion is going to flip those rankings, especially when Trae himself wasn't good to end the year
You're completely ignoring the fact that Trae was ranked above BI in the last ranking where they were both healthy because it doesn't support your side
Hell, they even lowered BI's ranking after he got injured, too, which goes to show that their rankings do take into account injuries. So Trae dropping from 24 to 35 had to do with the fact that he was injured, because he obviously didn't get worse from 31 to 35 because he played zero games during that time frame
Posted on 5/21/24 at 1:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Yes, he had a bad series. He was hurt and Zion was out.
Context doesn't matter when you're driven by emotion.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 1:30 pm to Epic Cajun
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You're completely ignoring the fact t
I'm not "ignoring" anything
You posted this after the post you quoted, following a similar post. I haven't had time to research this. I just used one rankings I found, also, because I figured it wouldn't be auto-rejected. I'm sure there are others.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 2:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'm not "ignoring" anything
You posted this after the post you quoted, following a similar post. I haven't had time to research this. I just used one rankings I found, also, because I figured it wouldn't be auto-rejected. I'm sure there are others.
If you go to the website that you got the rankings from and click on "timeline" next to the player card it will show you where each player was ranked at several different dates. You can see that on February 14th (the day that Trae got injured) he was ranked 24th and BI was ranked 30th. The last day of rankings was April 10th, which was before Trae returned from that injury. So Trae dropped from 24th to 35th without playing a single game
Posted on 5/21/24 at 2:20 pm to Epic Cajun
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he was ranked 24th and BI was ranked 30th.
I mean yeah that's different than that specific post, but it still applies to my overall argument (that they're basically the same value).
BI and maybe this year's (worthless) 1st? Fine.
BI and a bunch of shite for Trae? Franchise-altering disaster potential
Posted on 5/21/24 at 2:23 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Context doesn't matter when you're driven by emotion.
It also doesn’t matter when you’re unapologetically attached to a home team player either.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 2:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I posted an unbiased, non-Pel view of his value (compared to Trae) and y'all are having a melt about it.
No one is melting- you literally admitted you were a bit “optimistic”- basically you bullshitted but ok.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 2:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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23/5/5. 1 FG different. He did similar 4 years in a row prior to this season when Zion finally played.
Ingram has put up nearly identical numbers as Zach Lavine with worse efficiency and worse defense. He has also been dominated by every good defender in the league.
Trae Young has averaged 27/9 over a 4 year period and absolutely worked over Jrue Holiday in the conference finals.
They are not even comparable.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 2:59 pm to Pels_Yaz
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It also doesn’t matter when you’re unapologetically attached to a home team player either.
I'm not. I think BI's time is done. I only wanted to keep him a year ago b/c I worried Zion had one foot out the door. Zion seems engaged and committed to Nola, so it's BI who needs to go.
I just want proper value for him.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 3:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I just want proper value for him.
Well, luckily for all of us no one in this thread gets to decide what his value is, and we'll find out what it is this summer
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