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re: The Crunch is Coming -Shamit Dua
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:03 am to Honest Man
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:03 am to Honest Man
We basically have to try and find a replacement for CJ through the Draft and then trade him.
We are going to need a cheap alternative at C too.
We are going to need a cheap alternative at C too.
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:06 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
We basically have to try and find a replacement for CJ through the Draft and then trade him.
No one is taking him and his contract without GOOD compensation.
Edit: There's also that locker room leader shite Griff mentions 24/7.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 9:07 am
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:07 am to Honest Man
quote:Why does he have the most value?
Because BI has the most value on the team right now.
quote:So if Zion comes out next season in his best shape ever and is averaging 30ppg on 65% shooting and we're the #1 seed, your logic is that we should then trade Zion, because he'd have the most value, right?
CJ wont bring back much value and is a better culture guy, and Zion value is so low right now. BI is the best choice.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:08 am to Balsamic_duck
quote:I believe we have 2 seasons to sort it out.
One of CJ, BI or Zion will have to go after this season.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:10 am to shel311
quote:
Why does he have the most value?
- 2-years to make up his mind about staying at new destination
- Zion contract is under current CBA which helps team avoid Tax
- CJ is a locker room leader and contract virtually untradeable without giving up assets.
- B-Tier All Star player with upside
quote:
So if Zion comes out next season in his best shape ever and is averaging 30ppg on 65% shooting and we're the #1 seed, your logic is that we should then trade Zion, because he'd have the most value, right?
His contract is a positive for the Pelicans so this with Scoot and KEEPING Herb and Trey makes this the absolute BEST outcome if you are a Herb and Trey fan.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 9:12 am
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:14 am to 50_Tiger
quote:We'll have a $30mil expiring contract at a pretty ideal time the way I understand it.
If we didn’t give CJ 32m a year, we wouldn’t need to have this convo.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:17 am to 50_Tiger
quote:
No one is taking him and his contract without GOOD compensation.
NBA contracts are pretty easy to move. Mentioning "GOOD compensation" to take CJ can only make sense if he's a really, really bad basketball player, and he's certainly not...and even then, you can still move the contract likely.
Players with huge contracts are moved all the time. Hell, the Lakers just moved $47mil of Russell freaking Westbrook and got back actual assets that made them better. CJ at $30mil is fine.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 9:18 am
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:19 am to TigerinATL
quote:I know it's just discussion here but...It's also fair to point out, we don't have that option on the table right now either.
But in 2 more years when their hand is forced, they probably won’t have a better option on the table than a trade for #2/#3 this offseason.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:20 am to shel311
quote:
We'll have a $30mil expiring contract at a pretty ideal time the way I understand it.
Which is why you have to keep him instead
In the Hypothetical Trade BI 2 or 3 scenario you are getting at minimum:
Scoot
Massive expiring or significant cap space to do the following:
Sign Herb
Rookie Extend Trey
Stay under the tax until 25-26 (New CBA)
Have money to get a center or sign JV back
As CJ Expires:
You now have another Max Slot still in Scoot and Zion's rookie window to hopefully push all the chips in.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:20 am to shel311
quote:
I know it's just discussion here but...It's also fair to point out, we don't have that option on the table right now either.
Are we sure about that?
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:22 am to 50_Tiger
quote:Great, he's a good basketball player. Why are you pretending he's a bad basketball player?
Which is why you have to keep him instead
quote:You're getting worse in the short term in hopes that you maybe get better in the long term. It's not the slam dunk trade you think it is. It may work out, but it's pretty much a toss up.
In the Hypothetical Trade
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:23 am to 50_Tiger
quote:Are you sure that the option is on the table?
Are we sure about that?
If not, then you can't speak on it like it is and the only fair assumption is that it is not.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:56 am to 50_Tiger
quote:
His contract is a positive for the Pelicans so this with Scoot and KEEPING Herb and Trey makes this the absolute BEST outcome if you are a Herb and Trey fan.
Im a fan of Trey, Herb and BI. We can keep them all if we trade CJ. Who cares if it costs a pick to do so? BI wants to be in NOLA and thats something most of yall are taking for granted. Trading BI because you stupidly gave CJ a big extension when you didnt need to is just sunk cost fallacy.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:58 am to 50_Tiger
quote:
with Scoot and KEEPING Herb and Trey
I don't think you can do the trade that's been kicked around and keep Herb. Maybe you can sell them on Dyson instead of Herb, but I guarantee you Portland doesn't give you both Scoot and Sharpe without BI and another starting caliber player in addition to some picks. Portland is looking to win now if they do this deal, they don't want picks unless they are flipped into win now players.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:04 am to 50_Tiger
quote:
Getting Scoot and Sharpe along with keeping Trey and Herb is what’s best for business.
Plus all that extra cap space.
If we didn’t give CJ 32m a year, we wouldn’t need to have this convo.
sunk-cost fallacy
noun
the phenomenon whereby a person is reluctant to abandon a strategy or course of action because they have invested heavily in it, even when it is clear that abandonment would be more beneficial.
Giving CJ 32m was stupid and unnecessary. Admit it, dump him, and keep BI
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:15 am to TigerinATL
quote:I don't know what Portland will do, but it would be utterly stupid to move all their young guys for a Dame/BI core.
I don't think you can do the trade that's been kicked around and keep Herb. Maybe you can sell them on Dyson instead of Herb, but I guarantee you Portland doesn't give you both Scoot and Sharpe without BI and another starting caliber player in addition to some picks. Portland is looking to win now if they do this deal, they don't want picks unless they are flipped into win now players.
They need to realize it's time to cut bait with Dame. I get it, it's tough. But it's the best thing for them. They can have a solid core, and get even more assets trading Dame, and they've be MUCH better off 4-5 years from now than if they give it all up for a Dame/BI core that has no shot to compete for anything of note.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:15 am to Balsamic_duck
quote:We have 2 years to do that.
Giving CJ 32m was stupid and unnecessary. Admit it, dump him, and keep BI
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:28 am to shel311
quote:
I don't know what Portland will do, but it would be utterly stupid to move all their young guys for a Dame/BI core.
Every path Portland has is somewhat dumb, especially the ones keeping Lillard. They're in a box unless they gut the team to the studs (and Sharpe + 3), but there isn't a market for their assets to do that.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Dame could net assets.
Every path Portland has is somewhat dumb, especially the ones keeping Lillard. They're in a box unless they gut the team to the studs (and Sharpe + 3), but there isn't a market for their assets to do that.
Sharpe
Simons
#3
Dame assets
Cap space
That's not a terrible start to a rebuild.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:38 am to shel311
quote:
Dame could net assets.
Sharpe
Simons
#3
Dame assets
Cap space
That's not a terrible start to a rebuild.
Thats an awesome start to a rebuild but portland and dame seem to be ok going down with the ship.
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