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re: Stein: Miami, Dallas, Pels will be at the forefront of the pursuit of Lowry
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:52 am to P bean
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:52 am to P bean
quote:I don't think the concern is year 1 of the deal. And if you guaranteed that Lowry would produce consistently over the life of the deal, I think everyone would be happy to pay him. But, he's getting older, and will fall off at some point. We just don't want to be left holding the bag at that point.
Lowry averaged 17/7 last year playing hurt.
They finally didnt make the playoffs because Lowry only played half the season.
17/7 would be a career year for Zo/Naw, etc.
Why is this board so dumb?
But, I do think even if he falls off, he could be used as salary matching in his last year of his deal, in order to land a player with a large salary.
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Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:53 am to Fun Bunch
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They would be paying him more for intangibles, leadership, voice, toughness than what his stats would be. Which is...risky.
Isn’t this what we just paid Adams for. That worked out so great…
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:59 am to Townedrunkard
There is value in it. If it works it’s a big plus for a young team. And KL is better than Adams or JJ.
There is risk involved
There is risk involved
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:00 pm to P bean
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Lowry averaged 17/7 last year playing hurt.
They finally didnt make the playoffs because Lowry only played half the season.
17/7 would be a career year for Zo/Naw, etc.
Why is this board so dumb?
Compare paying Lowry 30M for 3 years when you know his production will likely start to decline vs paying Lonzo 20M who has been improving every year.
So after 2-3 years, there is a decent chance that Lonzo is playing better than Lowry while commanding a lot less money.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:00 pm to Townedrunkard
I would rather for us to use our cap space on Duncan Robinson and Spencer Denwiddie, instead of using it all on an over the hill Lowry.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:01 pm to Earthquake
I’d take Lowry over Dinwiddie.
I’d love to have Robinson but it’s highly likely he stays in Miami.
I’d love to have Robinson but it’s highly likely he stays in Miami.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:02 pm to THRILLHO
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Don't forget that based Florida doesn't have a state income tax.
We tend to overrate this. They still pay income taxes for all the states and sometimes even the cities they play away games in. So while it helps, its not as of huge of a factor as some make it.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:04 pm to Fun Bunch
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There is value in it. If it works it’s a big plus for a young team. And KL is better than Adams or JJ. There is risk involved
You think? You just saw what happened to both JJ and Adams this year but hey let’s pay a guy that’s 35+ what those two made combined for his vet leadership and intangibles for 3 years of guaranteed salary, coming off a season which he was injured most of it. I mean what could possibly go wrong?
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:05 pm to BilJ
6% of 15 mil is a pretty big deal, IMO.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:06 pm to BilJ
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We tend to overrate this. They still pay income taxes for all the states and sometimes even the cities they play away games in. So while it helps, its not as of huge of a factor as some make it
Why would they pay income tax for other states? That doesn't make any sense.
A long haul trucker from Texas may work in all 50 states, but he is domiciled in Texas and paid by a Texas company. He's not paying any state income tax
ETA: Well...48 states
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:07 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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Why would they pay income tax for other states? That doesn't make any sense.
Did you really not know this? Players pay income tax in the state they play a game in. In all leagues.
So Saints players pay 8 games of Louisiana income tax and 8 games for various other states. For instance.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:07 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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Why would they pay income tax for other states? That doesn't make any sense.
You pay income tax in the locale the work is performed. Every athlete pays income tax for every game they play in the various states.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:08 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Pelicans need to find a way to get Brogdon. That would be a great fit all around.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:10 pm to MrJimBeam
There are rumors that have been popping up on a Lonzo/Brogdon deal. Pacers fans are weirdly in favor of it. The things they think about Lonzo are…not accurate. 
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:10 pm to Fun Bunch
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Did you really not know this?
I did not. I just assumed if you're a citizen of a state and are paid a salary from a company that is also domiciled in that state, then you'd only pay taxes for that state.
Learn something new everyday I guess. I can now see how so many athletes get in trouble with taxes
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:11 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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Why would they pay income tax for other states? That doesn't make any sense.
A long haul trucker from Texas may work in all 50 states, but he is domiciled in Texas and paid by a Texas company. He's not paying any state income tax
My company is based out of Tennessee, my listed office location is Tennessee. I work from home in Louisiana. I pay Louisiana income taxes.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:12 pm to Fun Bunch
not worth the $ and the risk
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:14 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
I like Lowry over Dinwiddie also as a player, but i think Denwiddie would be much cheaper and he is much younger, so thats why i prefer him over Lowry.
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:16 pm to Fun Bunch
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There are rumors that have been popping up on a Lonzo/Brogdon deal. Pacers fans are weirdly in favor of it. The things they think about Lonzo are…not accurate.
Maybe his market is valued so highly by them that we could get a little lagniappe in return
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:16 pm to MrJimBeam
Just to muddy the waters, we additionally could play like 6 more games in Texas, and they could play two more games in Florida(Orlando) due to the western and eastern conference splits. Not always the case, but means it’s less than half the games we are talking about. And then at least two more of our games are in Miami.
Long story short, if we offer 3 years and $90 million, he would make a great deal more than Miami at 3 and $75.
And $30 million for a starting PG is not outlandish at all. Shoot, the Lakers are paying over $90 million for two seasons of Westbrook and he can’t shoot. I haven’t pulled all the names. But there will be a good deal of Pg’s making close or more than $30 million, some way more and some older than Lowry.
Long story short, if we offer 3 years and $90 million, he would make a great deal more than Miami at 3 and $75.
And $30 million for a starting PG is not outlandish at all. Shoot, the Lakers are paying over $90 million for two seasons of Westbrook and he can’t shoot. I haven’t pulled all the names. But there will be a good deal of Pg’s making close or more than $30 million, some way more and some older than Lowry.
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