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re: Some trades I like going into Deadline season
Posted on 1/15/18 at 11:33 am to NOLAbaby
Posted on 1/15/18 at 11:33 am to NOLAbaby
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Pels Receive: Allen Crabbe
Nets Receive: Omer Asik, Etwuan Moore and 2018 first and 2nd rd picks!
Why: The nets will take any bad contract if theres picks attached. Pels need a 3&D guy who can actually guard wings.
Right team, wrong player.
Spencer Dinwiddie.
Pros
Tall, athletic PG
Great contract
Can probably save money in a deal.
Cons: you will have to trade one of your first/diallo/Jackson
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Posted on 1/15/18 at 11:41 am to TeddyPadillac
And if Dinwiddie is unavailable who do you go for? Even though the guy doesn't need to be a stud, there still aren't that many 6'5+ 2 way PGs.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 12:04 pm to MrWiseGuy
That would be a terrible deal to get Crabbe.
I'd rather Moore than Crabbe, without considering Moore costs $11M cheaper.
That goes back to what i said previously. everytime you look trading Moore for an upgrade, you end up saying, is that guy really that much better than Moore?
Moore needs to stay put. Solo needs to stay put.
The trade that needs to happen is Ajinca/Diallo for some kind of upgrade. We can't afford to give up rotation players. We have Asik/Ajinca/Diallo wasting roster and salary space. Ajinca/Diallo for Dinwiddie, and some kind of protected 1st, maybe get back their Toronto 1st or LA 2nd round pick they have.
The smartest move we can make and get better is to get one good rotational player by trading Ajinca/Diallo, and hang on to Asik to either stretch him or trade him later. The longer we keep Asik, the easier it is to trade him. Stretchign him this offseason really isn't that terrible like it would have been this offseason, and it should only be done if absolutely necessary to avoid the tax. If it's possible to keep him, and somehow keep our pick this year (which i highly, highly doubt), then having Asik at next years trade deadline, with your 2018 rookie and your 2019 pick could net you a very nice player. I doubt the Pels have that kind of patience.
I'd rather Moore than Crabbe, without considering Moore costs $11M cheaper.
That goes back to what i said previously. everytime you look trading Moore for an upgrade, you end up saying, is that guy really that much better than Moore?
Moore needs to stay put. Solo needs to stay put.
The trade that needs to happen is Ajinca/Diallo for some kind of upgrade. We can't afford to give up rotation players. We have Asik/Ajinca/Diallo wasting roster and salary space. Ajinca/Diallo for Dinwiddie, and some kind of protected 1st, maybe get back their Toronto 1st or LA 2nd round pick they have.
The smartest move we can make and get better is to get one good rotational player by trading Ajinca/Diallo, and hang on to Asik to either stretch him or trade him later. The longer we keep Asik, the easier it is to trade him. Stretchign him this offseason really isn't that terrible like it would have been this offseason, and it should only be done if absolutely necessary to avoid the tax. If it's possible to keep him, and somehow keep our pick this year (which i highly, highly doubt), then having Asik at next years trade deadline, with your 2018 rookie and your 2019 pick could net you a very nice player. I doubt the Pels have that kind of patience.
This post was edited on 1/15/18 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 1/15/18 at 12:16 pm to TigerinATL
Dinwiddie and Justin Holiday would be my realistic targets
Posted on 1/15/18 at 1:04 pm to TeddyPadillac
E’twaun in a package for Dinwiddie would have to require strong consideration. I’d have to go a hard no giving up E’twaun for Justin Holiday.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 1:22 pm to pleading the fifth
The Nets and the Bulls have zero interest in a guy like Moore most likely. They don't care about getting an expensive rotational bench guy with 2 years left on his contract. Moore isnt' an asset to them. he's not bringing value to them so we don't have to give up a pick or anything. Moore is an assett to a team that is making the playoffs and needs some bench scoring, like OKC who is 2nd to last in the league in bench scoring. Guess who's last? good ole Pelicans. But even OKC wouldn't want him b/c he's got 2 years left on his deal. Moore isn't going anywhere, and there's no need for him to. he needs to be our backup SG.
When Moore is an expiring contract, maybe a contending team would want him, if he's still shooting over 40% from 3.
When Moore is an expiring contract, maybe a contending team would want him, if he's still shooting over 40% from 3.
This post was edited on 1/15/18 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 1/15/18 at 1:34 pm to Crewz
Does Dinwiddie play good defense?
Posted on 1/15/18 at 1:56 pm to NOSHAU
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Does Dinwiddie play good defense?
He's 6'6". He's definitely not a bad defender, and has the best assist/turnover ratio in the league this year.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 2:01 pm to TeddyPadillac
I don't know what it would take to get Prince from Atlanta, but i'd really like him.
He's that 6'8" that can guard multiple positions and knock down a shot, 40% from 3 this year.
Would without a doubt do Asik/1st for him and either Belli or Ilyasova's expiring contract. I doubt Atlanta is interested in trading him though.
He's that 6'8" that can guard multiple positions and knock down a shot, 40% from 3 this year.
Would without a doubt do Asik/1st for him and either Belli or Ilyasova's expiring contract. I doubt Atlanta is interested in trading him though.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 2:08 pm to NOLAbaby
Well, word on the street is the Magic are in sell mode.
Magic trade Rumors
Think Payton would be a good short term fit here
Magic trade Rumors
Think Payton would be a good short term fit here
This post was edited on 1/15/18 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 1/15/18 at 2:09 pm to TeddyPadillac
Dinwiddie should be the #1 trade target. Playing Jrue with a 6'6" point who can defend and score would be great, but the best thing about a Dinwiddie for Anjiica trade is that his crazy cheap salary next year lets us get to summer of 2019 with Asik on the books.
You don't have to use a 1st to dump Asik with a Dinwiddie trade. We could also likely leverage an extension this summer to get a decent deal on his next contract.
You don't have to use a 1st to dump Asik with a Dinwiddie trade. We could also likely leverage an extension this summer to get a decent deal on his next contract.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 2:14 pm to NOSHAU
I haven't watched him play outside of a few highlight clips that never show defense, but the stats say he's passable to good.
11th best DRPM among PGs, but these rankings make me question this stat for PGs at least
The Nets DRtg is 105.1 when he's on court and 107.5 when he's off. 105.1 isn't good but DeMarre Carroll has a 104.8 on and 107.7 off.
Compare that to Rondo who is 73rd among PGs in DRPM and has a defense killing DRtg on/off of 114.7 on and 103.9 off.
Offensively he shoots 44% on catch and shoot 3s has a fantastic AST:TO ratio with 6.5 APG vs 1.5 TOs.
Looking at the Pels needs and cap situation, on paper Dinwiddie looks like he'd be worth Ajinca/1st, maybe even Ajinca/Diallo/1st with a little change coming back like a 2nd. But since we've heard Demps likes winning the press conference when it comes to trades, most people probably don't know enough about Dinwiddie to think he's worth a first and the average fan probably doesn't think Rondo has been bad enough to trade a 1st for a PG they've maybe never heard of.
11th best DRPM among PGs, but these rankings make me question this stat for PGs at least
The Nets DRtg is 105.1 when he's on court and 107.5 when he's off. 105.1 isn't good but DeMarre Carroll has a 104.8 on and 107.7 off.
Compare that to Rondo who is 73rd among PGs in DRPM and has a defense killing DRtg on/off of 114.7 on and 103.9 off.
Offensively he shoots 44% on catch and shoot 3s has a fantastic AST:TO ratio with 6.5 APG vs 1.5 TOs.
Looking at the Pels needs and cap situation, on paper Dinwiddie looks like he'd be worth Ajinca/1st, maybe even Ajinca/Diallo/1st with a little change coming back like a 2nd. But since we've heard Demps likes winning the press conference when it comes to trades, most people probably don't know enough about Dinwiddie to think he's worth a first and the average fan probably doesn't think Rondo has been bad enough to trade a 1st for a PG they've maybe never heard of.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 2:20 pm to The_Duke
the magic started the season 6-2, they are 6-29 since then. Yeah they are selling, and no Payton would not be a good fit at any point, although he is shooting pretty decent from 3 this year. That dude gives zero fricks on defense.
I'd like to get jonathon Simmons from them.
I'd like to get jonathon Simmons from them.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 2:22 pm to NOFOX
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Dinwiddie should be the #1 trade target. Playing Jrue with a 6'6" point who can defend and score would be great, but the best thing about a Dinwiddie for Anjiica trade is that his crazy cheap salary next year lets us get to summer of 2019 with Asik on the books.
exactly. Not only does he save you money for next year getting rid of Ajinca, but you get to get better, and keep Asik, which sounds crazy, but it's sort of a good thing. You can stretch him if absolutely needed, or hold onto him and trade him at next years deadline when it will be much easier to get rid of him.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 2:25 pm to TeddyPadillac
You don't think Payton would be a good fit when we are currently running Ian Clark out their at point in crunch time?
We literal don't have a PG--any competent Pg would be great right now.
We literal don't have a PG--any competent Pg would be great right now.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 2:27 pm to TigerinATL
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But since we've heard Demps likes winning the press conference when it comes to trades, most people probably don't know enough about Dinwiddie to think he's worth a first and the average fan probably doesn't think Rondo has been bad enough to trade a 1st for a PG they've maybe never heard of.
and that's what's wrong with basketball in New Orleans. Trying to appease idiot fans. Porzingis was booed, now he's loved. I dont' understand why our front office should give any shits about the fans perception of a trade. Winning puts butts in the seats, not flashy trades that only perceive to be good trades b/c of name recognition.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 2:39 pm to The_Duke
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You don't think Payton would be a good fit when we are currently running Ian Clark out their at point in crunch time?
He has played extremely lazy don't give a shite defense. I konw he has the physical and IQ to be a good team defender, and on the right team, he'd probably be a good defender. Not sure we are that team with our other lazy defenders. I wouldn't be upset about getting him, just don't think he'd be that good, but i'd be willing to try it out for a year without a doubt.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 3:32 pm to TeddyPadillac
Yea Dinwiddie would be ideal but from what I've read they love him and it makes sense. Good young player who is coach-able, plays hard and on cheap deal. Plus with Lin being all but done there, they'll need him. Don't see why they would trade him away for a late round pick.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 3:41 pm to The_Duke
Sound greedy but i'd fricking love to grab Dinwiddie, then somehow make a move for Fournier. Give up Diallo/Ajinca and a 2nd for Dinwiddie then give up Jackson our first and something else, maybe Hill or whatever works for Fournier. I know we can't have both so i'd be fine with Dinwiddie, I think he can be our future starter at PG OR be our 6th man giving us 25-27 mpg. He's 24 with a lot of upside and has solid size for his position
Posted on 1/15/18 at 3:50 pm to TPecoraro23
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He's 24 with a lot of upside and has solid size for his position
lol which is why I don't see the Nets trading him. D.Rus can play off-bal.l
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