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Some trades I like going into Deadline season
Posted on 1/14/18 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 1/14/18 at 11:47 pm
From lukewarm to scorching hot! Reminder, Pels 1st rd pick slated to be in the 18+ range so the store of value will likely not yield a superstar...unless things fall off in a major way. Also, most trades are based on the premises that Solo returns to who he was last year and that Asik's not walking out the front door w/o a 1st attached.
Pels Receive: Nikola Mirotic
Bulls Receive: Omer Asik, Ian Clark, 2018 1st Rd Pick
Why: Pels bulk up front like and add bench scoring wizard
Pels Receive: Allen Crabbe
Nets Receive: Omer Asik, Etwuan Moore and 2018 first and 2nd rd picks!
Why: The nets will take any bad contract if theres picks attached. Pels need a 3&D guy who can actually guard wings.
Pels Receive: Marco Belinelli, Ersan Ilyasova
Hawks Receive: Omer Asik, Chieck Diallo, 2018 1st!
Why: Pels add shooting and front court bulk plus 2 expiring deals! Hawks are amidst rebuild, could take a flier on young diallo and need another pick while letting Asik fade into the abyss.
Pels Receive: Evan Fournier, Mo Speights big arse
Magic Receive: Omer Asik, Frank Jackson, Etwuan Moore and 2018 1st round pick!
Why: Fournier's great is why! Magic would be out of their minds to do this!
Pels Receive: Furkan Kormaz
76ers Receive: Tony Allen
Why: I'd like to say that's FURKAN AWESOME when he scores and Tony's old bag of bones is an expiring lol
Pels Receive: Nikola Mirotic
Bulls Receive: Omer Asik, Ian Clark, 2018 1st Rd Pick
Why: Pels bulk up front like and add bench scoring wizard
Pels Receive: Allen Crabbe
Nets Receive: Omer Asik, Etwuan Moore and 2018 first and 2nd rd picks!
Why: The nets will take any bad contract if theres picks attached. Pels need a 3&D guy who can actually guard wings.
Pels Receive: Marco Belinelli, Ersan Ilyasova
Hawks Receive: Omer Asik, Chieck Diallo, 2018 1st!
Why: Pels add shooting and front court bulk plus 2 expiring deals! Hawks are amidst rebuild, could take a flier on young diallo and need another pick while letting Asik fade into the abyss.
Pels Receive: Evan Fournier, Mo Speights big arse
Magic Receive: Omer Asik, Frank Jackson, Etwuan Moore and 2018 1st round pick!
Why: Fournier's great is why! Magic would be out of their minds to do this!
Pels Receive: Furkan Kormaz
76ers Receive: Tony Allen
Why: I'd like to say that's FURKAN AWESOME when he scores and Tony's old bag of bones is an expiring lol
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Posted on 1/15/18 at 1:55 am to NOLAbaby
Moore has been playing awesome this season. Unless it nets us a top tier player, I wouldn’t want to see him go.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 3:21 am to NOLAbaby
quote:You cant be biased when doing trades like this. The bulls get the fat short end of the stick in this deal..
Pels Receive: Nikola Mirotic Bulls Receive: Omer Asik, Ian Clark, 2018 1st Rd Pick Why: Pels bulk up front like and add bench scoring wizard
Posted on 1/15/18 at 5:43 am to NOLAbaby
I like Mirotic deal. Make sense for both sides, unless Bulls are going for PO.
Crabbe is terrible this season. I understand attaching pick to dump Asik. But Moore and 2 nd rounder is waaaay to much. Crabbe is overpaid.
Belinelli and Ilyasova is ok for me. Dont love it but both might be useful.
I like Fournier as a player. But his contract terrifies me.
Dont see a world where sixers will let go Korkmaz.
Will You trade Diallo for injured veteran who is not needed? I wont...
Crabbe is terrible this season. I understand attaching pick to dump Asik. But Moore and 2 nd rounder is waaaay to much. Crabbe is overpaid.
Belinelli and Ilyasova is ok for me. Dont love it but both might be useful.
I like Fournier as a player. But his contract terrifies me.
Dont see a world where sixers will let go Korkmaz.
Will You trade Diallo for injured veteran who is not needed? I wont...
Posted on 1/15/18 at 7:53 am to NOLAbaby
Something to remind you, if we trade Asik, and take on a similar or larger salary that is multi year, we are going to have a very hard time staying under the tax.
Ajinca is the guy that needs to get traded for either an expiring or less money.
After Cousins resigns we are at something like $125M with the current roster, and we'd need to sign at least 5 guys. minimum contracts are 1.5M, and the tax is likely going to be right around $125M.
I'd bet whatever move we make is going to be more geared around the salary issue for next year.
Doing something like Ajinca/1st for Dinwiddie to Brooklyn saves you $3M next year, then you stretch Asik, which saves you another $8M, and now you have around $10M to fill out those 5 roster spots, instead of $0. That trade also makes us better obviously.
It would be nice if Atlanta would take Ajinca/Diallo for Belli, no picks. That would give you some nice savings, and keep your pick to trade at the draft.
I really don't see how we can trade Asik away at this point. We need him to stretch him. He's like an expiring contract right now for us, which we have none of other than minimum deals, and none of that really helps b/c of Cousins salary increase for next year.
Ajinca is the guy that needs to get traded for either an expiring or less money.
After Cousins resigns we are at something like $125M with the current roster, and we'd need to sign at least 5 guys. minimum contracts are 1.5M, and the tax is likely going to be right around $125M.
I'd bet whatever move we make is going to be more geared around the salary issue for next year.
Doing something like Ajinca/1st for Dinwiddie to Brooklyn saves you $3M next year, then you stretch Asik, which saves you another $8M, and now you have around $10M to fill out those 5 roster spots, instead of $0. That trade also makes us better obviously.
It would be nice if Atlanta would take Ajinca/Diallo for Belli, no picks. That would give you some nice savings, and keep your pick to trade at the draft.
I really don't see how we can trade Asik away at this point. We need him to stretch him. He's like an expiring contract right now for us, which we have none of other than minimum deals, and none of that really helps b/c of Cousins salary increase for next year.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 7:59 am to NOLAbaby
Ajinca/Diallo to Chicago for Justin Holiday. Holiday doesn't fit the age of their core and shouldn't get as many minutes with Lavine coming back. Diallo has the athletic and defensive potential to be a good pairing with Markkanen. That's a net savings of $2.5 million next year and gives you coverage to trade Moore if pairing him with the 1st gets you something you can use more.
This post was edited on 1/15/18 at 8:12 am
Posted on 1/15/18 at 8:08 am to TigerinATL
Ajinca/Diallo/1st for Portis.
$5M in savings for next year.
$5M in savings for next year.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 8:12 am to TeddyPadillac
That's way too much for Portis, they don't get Diallo and a 1st for him. Diallo/Portis alone is a relatively fair trade considering Diallo's age and potential. You'd be using a 1st to dump Ajinca which is crazy.
This post was edited on 1/15/18 at 8:14 am
Posted on 1/15/18 at 8:22 am to TigerinATL
Portis is pretty good, and was a first round pick, 22nd, and we are making a very uneven trade.
He's a backup big scoring 12ppg, getting 6 boards, shooting 36% from 3, and is in his 3rd year. It would be nice if we got half that production from Diallo.
It's not using a first to dump Ajinca, it's using a first to dump Ajinca and get a young big that can actually play.
I can't see being able to get him with that uneven salary deal without a pick. We already gave them our 2nd round pick with the Qpon trade. It took a 2nd to dump QPon's expiring deal, for nothing. It wont be easy to dump Ajinca's deal considering he's got another year on it, and I doubt anyone really cares about Diallo. He's like trade a late 2nd round pick to someone.
He's a backup big scoring 12ppg, getting 6 boards, shooting 36% from 3, and is in his 3rd year. It would be nice if we got half that production from Diallo.
It's not using a first to dump Ajinca, it's using a first to dump Ajinca and get a young big that can actually play.
I can't see being able to get him with that uneven salary deal without a pick. We already gave them our 2nd round pick with the Qpon trade. It took a 2nd to dump QPon's expiring deal, for nothing. It wont be easy to dump Ajinca's deal considering he's got another year on it, and I doubt anyone really cares about Diallo. He's like trade a late 2nd round pick to someone.
This post was edited on 1/15/18 at 8:23 am
Posted on 1/15/18 at 8:31 am to TeddyPadillac
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It would be nice if we got half that production from Diallo.
Your problem is you don't value Diallo. MM says the Pels had him 15ish on their board. If they did then someone else probably had a mid 1st round grade on him too. Maybe that's not Chicago, but you need to find who it is and trade with them. One of Demps earlier moves was trading Craig Brackins, who Bower drafted, and Darius Songaila for Willie Green and Jason Smith. That was basically a veteran rotation player and a young rotation player for 2 guys that never played in the league again all because the other GM really liked Brackins.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 8:45 am to TigerinATL
quote:
Your problem is you don't value Diallo. MM says the Pels had him 15ish on their board. If they did then someone else probably had a mid 1st round grade on him too. Maybe that's not Chicago, but you need to find who it is and trade with them. One of Demps earlier moves was trading Craig Brackins, who Bower drafted, and Darius Songaila for Willie Green and Jason Smith. That was basically a veteran rotation player and a young rotation player for 2 guys that never played in the league again all because the other GM really liked Brackins.
Same thing with Buddy for Boogie---now Buddy rides the bench
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:03 am to TigerinATL
Yeah i guess you're right. I'm sure there is some team out there willing to see Diallo as an asset. He's just a waste of $1.5M to me.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:43 am to NOLAbaby
LINK
It's not trade season without the insane hypotheticals.
quote:
Perhaps the most salacious trade rumor of the season is a deal that has absolutely zero chance of happening right now. It might not be a trade at all. I am referring to the rumor in Tim Kawakami’s column in The Athletic suggesting that Davis could be the next big target for the Golden State Warriors. Just the fact that it’s out there is worth noting. According to Kawakami, the Brow is the “prime object of hope and desire.” Putting aside whether Prime Object of Hope and Desire is my favorite Nabokov novel, Davis’s deal with New Orleans runs through 2021, though he has an opt-out for the summer of 2020. If, for some reason, the Pelicans decide to trade the best player in franchise history not named Chris Paul, and they opt to deal him to the Bay Area Basketball Empire, they could, as Kawakami notes, ask for Draymond Green and Klay Thompson in return.
It's not trade season without the insane hypotheticals.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:46 am to Mystictiger
The more teams willing to trade value for AD if the time comes, the more value you'll get for him.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 10:04 am to TigerinATL
What can we get for Cousins?
Posted on 1/15/18 at 10:05 am to Suntiger
a 4 year $130M contract signed in the offseason.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 10:52 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Solomon Will Return Strong @SilverAndMac 3 minutes ago
Yeah, this might be my new favorite deal.
Ajinca, Nelson, lotto protected 1st
For
Justin Holiday, Bulls 2nd, Pels 2nd
Do this, then play out the season. Then, you still have the 19 pick to attach to Asik next February and can even avoid the tax while adding a good player. Plus take two flyers on 2nd round guys for first year of your G League team
That's something I hadn't considered. Rather than stretching Asik in the offseason to save $8.5, dump him around this time next year and you can save $5.6 without the long term hits from stretching. This approach may make the offseason pretty tight because of the hard cap, but you probably won't be looking to add too much to the rotation anyway after adding Holiday.
Another thing to consider, you're allowed to send over $5 million in cash per year now. So dumping Asik at this point next year with just a 2nd isn't crazy if you can send most of your cash allowance with him. Cover the reaming salary for the year and then basically sell the 2019 2nd for the $3 million guarantee he'd have left.
This post was edited on 1/15/18 at 11:04 am
Posted on 1/15/18 at 11:03 am to TigerinATL
The Bulls don't have their 2018 or 2019 2nd round pick, so what pick is this?
I don't see why we need another SG.
If Solo comes back strong, then we have a very competent backup SG in Moore, and SF in Miller.
We need a PG and backup big, not another backup SG.
I don't see why we need another SG.
If Solo comes back strong, then we have a very competent backup SG in Moore, and SF in Miller.
We need a PG and backup big, not another backup SG.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 11:08 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
The Bulls don't have their 2018 or 2019 2nd round pick, so what pick is this?
Yeah, they don't. Maybe they can trade one of their younger guys for one though. Ajinca's contract is pretty small to swallow for turning 2 2nds into a late teen pick.
quote:
I don't see why we need another SG.
My argument has been long term adding Holiday makes Moore expendable in the offseason and he's played well enough to bring back some value. MM makes an argument for his short term value.
quote:
Solomon Will Return Strong @SilverAndMac 25 minutes ago
If you are the Pels and you are thinking short term (which we know our guys are), you gotta be thinking: How do we beat Minny or SA in a playoff series?
I think the answer, in both cases, is a 6'6"- 6'8" guy who defend multiple positions, dribble/create, and hit a spot up
And not just SOLO. You need Hill to come back good AND add one more guy. Jrue can play more "point guard" if Boogie is helping pass from high post, Moore is a secondary penetrator and Hill/other guy create occasionally as well
Minny identifies the smallest guys in our lineup and gets them switched onto Wiggins or Butler and that causes chaos. San Antonio would likely do the same with Green, Kawhi, and Murray. Need more size, switch ability on the wing to stand a chance.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 11:26 am to TigerinATL
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I think the answer, in both cases, is a 6'6"- 6'8" guy who defend multiple positions, dribble/create, and hit a spot up
Solo is the defender. You're not going to find a SF that can defend, create and shoot with our assets.
What they need is a PG that can defend, someone who isn't 6 feet tall and can be exploited on D. That guy is Dinwiddie.
Jrue/Solo/AD/Cousins is a very good defensive lineup. Just need to find that 5th guy, and it ideally needs to be a PG b/c we don't want Jrue playing point.
Jonathon Simmons could be that target, but as i said, i don't see the point in adding a long term contract at the SF position.
Aminu wouldn't be bad either now that his moon balls go in from 3.
I get the idea behind trading Moore at some point, but every time i look at trading him i'm always saying to myself, "so we traded away a good role player for another good role player, did we really get any better by doing that?
This post was edited on 1/15/18 at 11:34 am
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