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re: So, the whole piano story was BS?

Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:07 pm to
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:07 pm to
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Article last week claimed Griffin played the piano for Zion in the bubble. As part of an attempt to forge a better relationship



Is there something damning about this?
Posted by Baron
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:12 pm to
The problem isn’t that he played piano for Zion. The problem is he played “Only the Good Die Young” when everyone knows Zion prefers strictly 80’s Joel.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:19 pm to
"80's Billy Joel Doo Wop sucks!"
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:24 pm to
You are about to get kicked out of the Catalina Wine Mixer..
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:48 pm to
So, as I said, I did not create this thread expecting to go after Jake personally.

I expected that what Jake would say is something like:

"My sources on the gist of that story are really solid. Whether Griffin knows how to play the piano or whether he was learning to play the piano isn't really important. The point is that Griffin's attempted efforts to build rapport with Zion have failed and they have rubbed Zion the wrong way. As I said on my show, I think that there are ways to fix this problem, and Griffin and Zion did some of that today, which is great for the team going forward."

The professional response to rude insults such as Hester's is simply to ignore them, or some variation of "LOL", not to start bragging about how hot his girlfriend is, how awesome his reputation is, and how he's not going to come back if people continue to say mean things about him.

It really surprised me. I had actually thought that he was a professional.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:51 pm to
Why does he need to do some sort of public mea culpa?

So what if he is wrong? That's going to happen. If it does happen enough or on a big enough topic, he'll pay the consequences. He doesn't owe people an apology.

Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:52 pm to
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Ok. No, lol. I’m not going to tie my 10 year old tigerdroppings account to my LinkedIn profile. Hahaha.

Also at no point did I say anything about his bank account or GF. That was all him. Not sure why I would be obligated to compete in a cringe-off because he did.


But I’m glad that we now know that you aren’t allowed to criticize anyone on TD unless you also doxx yourself. Great rule haha

I'm not saying you do, just pointing out the hypocrisy and cowardice of going after someone on a personal level in that specific fashion when they are the ones with the balls to post on here without anonymity.

I don't honestly know much about Jake, might be a complete tool IRL, seems to mean well enough though, and don't think that bullshite from last night and this morning was warranted.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:54 pm to
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You came at him on a personal level from the comfort of anonymity on a message board. For wanting to call someone a pussy and girly man, there's a lot of pot calling the kettle black energy in that.
link? I think you are exaggerating a bit.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 3:00 pm to
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The professional response to rude insults such as Hester's is simply to ignore them


Jake has no obligation to be respectful to anyone being disrespectful to him. Or any obligation to ignore them.

How is the onus of responsibility for being attacked placed on the victim in your mind?

You literally created a thread to call him out and when trolls showed up you not only didn't tell them to frick off, you jumped into the pile with them.
This post was edited on 9/28/21 at 3:06 pm
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 3:04 pm to
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link? I think you are exaggerating a bit.



I mean you are literally in the thread that was created to try and put Jake on blast and featuring the instigating post on the first page:

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He’s too busy commenting “Sigh” on tweets about guys not being vaccinated.

He is the human embodiment of “liberal, effeminate, journalism pussy”.

I’ve never seen it, but i know EXACTLY what Jake Madison looks like throwing a ball.


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I bet you end every sentence with upward inflection just like Jake.


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What is wrong with you?



Many things.

But disliking Jake Madison and his ilk is not one of them.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 3:08 pm to
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Why does he need to do some sort of public mea culpa?


This fanbase has catastrophe syndrome already. If I updated an old joke from the late Mike Royko, it would be:

- The optimist says that the glass is half-full.
- The pessimist says that the glass is half-empty.
- The Pels fan says, "When's it going to spill?"

Jake's pod on the piano was like a cable "news" host who overhypes some negative thing to his audience to get his audience even angrier.

Whether people watch MSNBC to see the outrageous things that Republicans are doing, or whether they watch Fox News to see the outrageous things that Democrats are doing, the hosts of those programs know that they get eyeballs by exaggerating the outrage of the day into a catastrophe, such that the country is perceived to be on the verge of collapse, and only their tribe can save it.

Go back and read the thread on this board from the day of the piano story: you'll find that it's full of people talking about quitting their Pels fandom. Fun Bunch posted a thread only half-jokingly about making Rich Paul the new POBO. Everyone here was seemingly running around with their hands in the air and screaming.

Christian Clark's article was not that negative, as people have said. Jake took the piano bit and made it much bigger than it was, because Jake hates David Griffin.

But, yeah, I wanted some accountability on it, because Jake's story that day, and his interpretation of the overall state of the Pels, was overhyped for clicks, and the fanbase doesn't need that crap.

Jake didn't really believe that the team was in disarray, etc., because his show the next day was about reasons to be optimistic.

TLDR: Jake's show about the piano was performative BS that Jake knew was BS, and our fanbase doesn't need that crap.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20971 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 3:10 pm to
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You literally created a thread to call him out and when trolls showed up you not only didn't tell them to frick off, you jumped into the pile with them


No, I was hoping that Jake would clarify the story for us.

And no, I absolutely called out Hester and asked what in the world was wrong with him.
Posted by Baron
Member since Dec 2014
1880 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 3:24 pm to
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You literally created a thread to call him out and when trolls showed up you not only didn't tell them to frick off, you jumped into the pile with them.


This just isn’t true. A lot of stupid shite got said, but GOP did nothing wrong.



Also, why is there an “onus of responsibility” for GOP to come to the aid of Jake when people say stupid stuff about him? This thread has gotten dumb. The fact of the matter is Jake Madison writes public pieces, GOP can post on a message board about those pieces. All the “trolls” and “incels” and crap that gets posted after is just life on the internet. Posting about how hot your GF is and flexing about your real life will always get you dragged, whether it’s Twitter, Reddit, or tigerdroppings. Posters should keep politics and personal flames off the board and Jake shouldn’t be so thinned skinned.

The season needs to hurry up and start because people around here take all this shite way too seriously
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11377 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 3:29 pm to
Let's be honest. There are less than 100 serious fans that post on here (I doubt I count as one). Maybe a couple 100 more casuals or lurkers that just like to stir stuff up. There are 10s of thousands Pelican fans. This forum is a tiny representation of the fanbase. Same with Twitter and IG. Getting your information from any of those sources is tainted.

He doesn't have to explain himself. He has know what's in his best interest. He loses trust if he doesn't take some kind of action. But that is on his timeline. Challenging him to defend or apologize is harsh. Especially so publicly.

It's none of my business. I don't have a dog in the fight. If you wanted to take him down a peg or whatever. That's ya'lls business. Just stand by it. This wasn't going to do anything to sway public opinion though. I think you were just looking for a fight..
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 3:31 pm to
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TLDR: Jake's show about the piano was performative BS that Jake knew was BS, and our fanbase doesn't need that crap.



And you know this how?

I won't say I listen everyday, but his anger was genuine, and even in both podcasts the day after he made it clear things weren't irreversible. Not to mention, people are allowed to adjust their opinions with new info. And you know what else? Maybe like this board Jake is human and whatever murmurs he heard became real in his mind when someone like Clark said it as well.

Sounds like you are projecting onto him and trying to lump him into a caricature. When Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingram whine about social distancing, masks, and the vaccine as they sit fully vaccinated, in a company that practiced masks and social distancing, telling you thats all weak liberal bullshite, that's manufactured outrage and bad faith propaganda. I have no reason to doubt Jake's genuineness as a fan of this team.


But the reason the fanbase reacted as it did, and to be clear nothing that happened yesterday categorically refuted anything, is that Christian Clark has earned a reputation as credible.

And one could just as easily turn that logic around on you and state you have been engaging in your own motivated reasoning process with yesterday's press conference. Immediately framing Griff's account as fact and jumping to try and call out people for it. Accuse them of nefariousness.


Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 3:35 pm to
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This just isn’t true. A lot of stupid shite got said, but GOP did nothing wrong.

He's literally comparing him to Tucker Carlson and that ilk and blame shifting on behalf of trolls.

If that's not jumping into the pile define it for me?
Posted by Baron
Member since Dec 2014
1880 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 4:28 pm to
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He's literally comparing him to Tucker Carlson and that ilk


I’m not finding this, but it’s whatever honestly. GOP’s opening post was benign and he even called out Hester whenever Hester got personal. I’m only defending GOP’s actions up until the infamous “Hot GF” “Ivory Tower” post, everything after is a different animal. :GOPDIDNOTHINGWRONG:

Again, this whole thread has gone off the rails and gotten dumb. It just needs to be nuked and salted over.
This post was edited on 9/28/21 at 4:31 pm
Posted by LSUBALLER
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2013
21617 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 4:38 pm to
Are you the guy they are talking of? If not relative? Serious question.
Posted by 7LSU7
Member since Sep 2016
1112 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 6:56 pm to
If you’ve ever listened to NolaJakes podcast which I used to before it just became unbearable. His voice and the way he poses questions or finishes sentences is so annoying. It makes me want to punch him and that’s even before this thread.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112857 posts
Posted on 9/28/21 at 7:29 pm to
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TLDR: Jake's show about the piano was performative BS that Jake knew was BS, and our fanbase doesn't need that crap.
The issue is you're still, for reasons unknown, clinging to the idea that Zion and Griff's denial made it a "fact" that the piano story was BS. That really makes no sense at all.
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