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re: Shams says Pelicans are “aggressively pursuing” a top 2-3 pick for Scoot
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:09 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:09 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Makes sense. Charlotte could be leaking a high price to get another team to pay up (or to even throw Scoot's name out there for those teams that may think they only need to get to #3 to get him). It is all the normal pre-draft smoke.
This is absolutely sourced from Charlotte, but you do have to ask why BI wasn't thrown in there. I can only think of 2 good reasons.
1) Trade discussions with the Pels never got very far before dying, but the Pels are letting Charlotte use them as leverage. Charlotte drives up the value of #2 and the Pels get plausible deniability while sending a message to Zion that he'll get traded if he doesn't get his act together.
2) The Pels did offer BI but the Hornets want Zion and this leak is to shift the conversation with the Pels to Zion. Even if it doesn't work, it still raises the value of the #2 pick for Charlotte.
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:09 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:lol no, it definitely does not mean that.
It seems like people are still in denial, he may not get traded but the fact that Shams is talking about- means there is definitely discussion going on with Zion being traded.
Think about this in the most basic logical way you can...If it did, Shams would have reported it. He didn't report it, why would Shams have a monster scoop like that and NOT report it?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:11 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:If Shams has a scoop that the Pels are actively discussion Zion, that would be a huge get for Shams, why would he intentionally not report it?
Shams doesn't mention names randomly. He's too good at his job for that.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:12 pm to shel311
Wouldn't surprise me if the real offer was a young player not named Trey and multiple picks including 14.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:14 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
This is absolutely sourced from Charlotte,
quote:Because
but you do have to ask why BI wasn't thrown in there
quote:
This is absolutely sourced from Charlotte
If you're Charlotte, why push that the value starts at BI when you can push that the value starts at Zion?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:18 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Like I've said a few times, if you trade Zion, like you said it's because you THINK he won't mature or get healthy. But there's a team on the other side who THINKS he will mature and get healthy and are willing to pay up for him.
If you trade Zion you're betting that he won't mature. I'm not sure what to think about that. You would think he'd mature sooner or later, and this seems like the kind of low point that might do it
It feels like the camp that wants to trade Zion just assumes that we are correct, but what if we're not? The other side is just as likely to be correct, and boy oh boy, if they are correct and we are wrong, we just made one of the dumbest trades in NBA history.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:21 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
He mentioned Zion by name today, TigerinATL posted it.
It seemed more like speculation than totally sourced, but he specifically mentioned Zion...and not BI.
Shams has not mentioned any player. The only people who have mentioned player names in this discussion pertaining to Scoop are people who don't know what they're talking about.
I also just rewatched Shams clip about scoot on a website that had the subtext "Pelicans aim to pair Scoot Henderson with Zion Williamson." So no one is saying that shams is reporting about Zion being traded
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:21 pm to shel311
I mean Shams is literally reporting Zion is potentially rumored as being involved in trade talks. I mean what else do you want him to do- hey I sat in a room with david griffin and literally heard him utter the words Zion in a trade package?? Sure it could all be nothing but rumors but Shams wouldn’t mention Zion unless he heard something from Pelicans or Hornets about him being involved. The fact is that a major reporter is reporting that Pelicans want the number 2 pick and the next day he mentions Zion as being a potential piece of that package. If it was some random guy on twitter I wouldnt care but Shams being the defacto number 2 nba reporter stating it, I wouldn’t just dismiss it.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:24 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:He literally did not report that...at all.
I mean Shams is literally reporting Zion is potentially rumored as being involved in trade talks.
quote:What are you talking about?
I mean what else do you want him to do
If Shams had a scoop that the Pels were shopping Zion, he would have reported that the Pels are interested in Scoot for Zion, but he did not...literally.
quote:He would have reported it if that happened, but he didn't, why didn't he?
Sure it could all be nothing but rumors but Shams wouldn’t mention Zion unless he heard something from Pelicans or Hornets about him being involved.
quote:Again, explain why he's intentionally not reporting a massive scoop that he has
The fact is that a major reporter is reporting that Pelicans want the number 2 pick and the next day he mentions Zion as being a potential piece of that package. If it was some random guy on twitter I wouldnt care but Shams being the defacto number 2 nba reporter stating it, I wouldn’t just dismiss it.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:24 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I mean Shams is literally reporting Zion is potentially rumored as being involved in trade talks.
Where is the link to Shams making this non-existent report?
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:33 pm to shel311
Shams reported pelicans being involved in trading for number two pick yesterday and today. And then today specifically mentioned Zion (not Ingram). Maybe he mentioned Zion because he thinks they might trade him but doesn’t know or the Hornets want him. The fact is he was mentioned today.
Shams will not literally say pelicans are shopping Zion for Scoot. He protects his sources, honestly unless at the utmost final stages, its never said- doesnt mean its not being discussed.
You act like Shams is in a room when these conversations are going on lol hes getting information from Hornets, pelicans, etc. He cant literally say something happened if hes not there for it or if both parties didn’t confirm. Again doesnt mean there isnt a conversation going on.
Most reporters again do not report a trade is done until like seconds before it’s finalized. Hes literally reporting pelicans want number two pick and then mentioned Zions name. That was on purpose, these reporters are not dumb. They dont just state names unless they have a strong feeling that player may be involved.
Shams will not literally say pelicans are shopping Zion for Scoot. He protects his sources, honestly unless at the utmost final stages, its never said- doesnt mean its not being discussed.
You act like Shams is in a room when these conversations are going on lol hes getting information from Hornets, pelicans, etc. He cant literally say something happened if hes not there for it or if both parties didn’t confirm. Again doesnt mean there isnt a conversation going on.
Most reporters again do not report a trade is done until like seconds before it’s finalized. Hes literally reporting pelicans want number two pick and then mentioned Zions name. That was on purpose, these reporters are not dumb. They dont just state names unless they have a strong feeling that player may be involved.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:40 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:42 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Also a fact, he did not report that the Pels were not literally potentially involving Zion in a trade.
And then today specifically mentioned Zion (not Ingram). Maybe he mentioned Zion because he thinks they might trade him but doesn’t know or the Hornets want him. The fact is he was mentioned today.
quote:That's his actual job. If he has that scoop, he would 100% say that, like the other 1000s of times him and Woj have done just that when getting trade stories from insiders.
Shams will not literally say pelicans are shopping Zion for Scoot.
quote:Protecting your source is not outing them by name.
He protects his sources
quote:YOu keep saying this, it makes no sense each time. I act like exactly what I said, which again, is "literally" nothing like you keep claiming.
You act like
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:45 pm to shel311
McNamara if you believe such things
quote:
My source: I think the dream right now is:
Zion and picks out. Scoot and OG in
Interesting….
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:45 pm to Fun Bunch
McNamara with the “sauces” (he deleted the tweet right after)
My source: I think the dream right now is:
Zion and picks out. Scoot and OG in
Interesting….
My source: I think the dream right now is:
Zion and picks out. Scoot and OG in
Interesting….
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:46 pm to Fun Bunch
That's more of a suggestion and speculation based on his opinion or what it would take for Charlotte to pull the trigger. He doesn't think future picks alone will get the job done. But if you bring Zion on the table, it changes the landscape of the trade. It would then be Charlotte who chases the trade.
I think we're just using our warchest to go after scoot. Charlotte most likely will not get a better offer imo.
I think we're just using our warchest to go after scoot. Charlotte most likely will not get a better offer imo.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:47 pm to Fun Bunch
He doesn’t report any conversations about moving Zion. He speculates “should the pelicans consider moving Zion?” If shams was told there are internal conversations about moving Zion, that’s what he would have reported.
ETA: Y’all realize he and Woj fight over these things right? He’s not going to let a story like “the pelicans are shopping Zion” fall into Woj’s hands
ETA: Y’all realize he and Woj fight over these things right? He’s not going to let a story like “the pelicans are shopping Zion” fall into Woj’s hands
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:47 pm to Macintosh
How the heck does that even work lol?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:49 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:
How the heck does that even work lol?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:50 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
I agree but then why even mention Zion and not BI? The fact he specifically mentioned Zion is interesting. Probably because Hornets want him.
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