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re: Shams says Pelicans are “aggressively pursuing” a top 2-3 pick for Scoot
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:51 am to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:51 am to Pels_Yaz
One thing I feel sure about is that we're only trading BI to Charlotte if he's good with it. And he might be -- going home and all that.
We are not going to just dump him.
We are not going to just dump him.
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:51 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Did you listen to what he said? He never said Zion was rumored to be in an offer. He speculated as to what it would take to get that high. Why? Because of the value of Zion. That was not a "rumor" that the Pelicans were looking to trade him.
He mentioned Zion by name today, TigerinATL posted it.
It seemed more like speculation than totally sourced, but he specifically mentioned Zion...and not BI.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:52 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:You may want to actually listen to what he said.
Thank you Fun Bunch. It seems like people are still in denial, he may not get traded but the fact that Shams is talking about- means there is definitely discussion going on with Zion being traded.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:53 am to Macintosh
quote:
it’s not even strictly his personal life.
On Christian Clark's podcast he made a point about how with everything that has ever gone wrong, from injury to personal issues, Zion and his "PR Team" nearly always find a way to make it worse, either by not talking about things when they should talk about things, or talking about things when they shouldn't. He was basically begging Zion to take advantage of the big sports agency that represents him that could get him some competent PR and damage control.
If you trade Zion you're betting that he won't mature. I'm not sure what to think about that. You would think he'd mature sooner or later, and this seems like the kind of low point that might do it, but I think many of us thought the same thing about Ja 3 months ago and it didn't take long to show he hadn't hit rock bottom yet.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:53 am to NOSHAU
quote:
Did you listen to what he said? He never said Zion was rumored to be in an offer. He speculated as to what it would take to get that high. Why? Because of the value of Zion. That was not a "rumor" that the Pelicans were looking to trade him.
Shams doesn't mention names randomly. He's too good at his job for that.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:53 am to NOSHAU
I swear to fricking God if we give up on Zion for Scoot I will lose my fricking shite. My metaphorical and ever loving shite.
Pels need WAY more than Scoot for Zion. That's .25 cents on the dollar imo.
Pels need WAY more than Scoot for Zion. That's .25 cents on the dollar imo.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:54 am to Macintosh
quote:I do not see anything happening. My guess is Griffin is offering up a package of a lot of draft picks and a role player or two and Charlotte or Portland is asking for a star.
it’s not even strictly his personal life. Obviously it’s this stuff currently but also when he left the team to go to Portland to rehab. Literally every year there’s some drama leaking out that involves Zion and the team. Whether big or small. Feels like no other team consistently deals with this but us.
That being said I’d rather trade BI for scoot before Zion, but I’m not gonna be upset if he’s the one that goes.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:54 am to TigerinATL
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If you trade Zion you're betting that he won't mature. I'm not sure what to think about that. You would think he'd mature sooner or later, and this seems like the kind of low point that might do it, but I think many of us thought the same thing about Ja 3 months ago and it didn't take long to show he hadn't hit rock bottom yet.
People talk about how this would be selling low on Zion, as his value around the league might be at a low ebb. But his value likely is not low in Charlotte.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:54 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:Again, did you listen. He was speculating on how much it would take to get that high.
Shams doesn't mention names randomly. He's too good at his job for that.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:55 am to NOSHAU
Yet, Ingram wasn’t mentioned once in that clip. Sure that rumor probably came from Hornets and them stating they want Zion. But you honestly think Griffin is seriously considering it?? After everything the mess that dude has put us through for 4 years with his injuries, conditioning issues, setbacks, etc. You honestly believe he’s untouchable?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:56 am to TigerinATL
quote:If you trade Zion, you are back to being just another team IMO.
On Christian Clark's podcast he made a point about how with everything that has ever gone wrong, from injury to personal issues, Zion and his "PR Team" nearly always find a way to make it worse, either by not talking about things when they should talk about things, or talking about things when they shouldn't. He was basically begging Zion to take advantage of the big sports agency that represents him that could get him some competent PR and damage control.
If you trade Zion you're betting that he won't mature. I'm not sure what to think about that. You would think he'd mature sooner or later, and this seems like the kind of low point that might do it, but I think many of us thought the same thing about Ja 3 months ago and it didn't take long to show he hadn't hit rock bottom yet.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:56 am to NOSHAU
quote:I agree. This is the most likely outcome
I do not see anything happening
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:59 am to NOSHAU
I hate to break it to you. With Zion and his health issues we are just another team. We couldn’t even make the playoffs. We could sit here talking about potential but dude hasn’t been full healthy for 4 years.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:00 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
You may want to actually listen to what he said.
This is absolutely sourced from Charlotte, but you do have to ask why BI wasn't thrown in there. I can only think of 2 good reasons.
1) Trade discussions with the Pels never got very far before dying, but the Pels are letting Charlotte use them as leverage. Charlotte drives up the value of #2 and the Pels get plausible deniability while sending a message to Zion that he'll get traded if he doesn't get his act together.
2) The Pels did offer BI but the Hornets want Zion and this leak is to shift the conversation with the Pels to Zion. Even if it doesn't work, it still raises the value of the #2 pick for Charlotte.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:01 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
On Christian Clark's podcast he made a point about how with everything that has ever gone wrong, from injury to personal issues, Zion and his "PR Team" nearly always find a way to make it worse, either by not talking about things when they should talk about things, or talking about things when they shouldn't. He was basically begging Zion to take advantage of the big sports agency that represents him that could get him some competent PR and damage control.
If you trade Zion you're betting that he won't mature. I'm not sure what to think about that. You would think he'd mature sooner or later, and this seems like the kind of low point that might do it, but I think many of us thought the same thing about Ja 3 months ago and it didn't take long to show he hadn't hit rock bottom yet.
It's about the crap that he and "his team" consistently puts the franchise through. Whether it was the piano story, the disappearance in the bubble, the vanishing act to Portland with no media communication, the weight issues and lack of dedication to the job, etc.
People crucified me when Durant wanted out of Brooklyn before last season and I suggested that the team might just have had all the BS they could take and might consider trading Zion for Durant.
In terms of pure basketball talent, trading Zion for Scoot makes zero sense. But winning isn't only about pure basketball talent -- just look at Jimmy Butler leading the Heat to the Finals this season. Butler isn't one of the top 10 players in the league in terms of pure basketball talent, but his intangibles are off the charts.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:03 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
I do not see anything happening. My guess is Griffin is offering up a package of a lot of draft picks and a role player or two and Charlotte or Portland is asking for a star.
I agree with this, though. Griff likes to have us in every big discussion.
This also sends a message to Zion.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:06 pm to NOSHAU
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If you trade Zion, you are back to being just another team IMO.
I said on the first page this isn't happening because I don't see Griff trading BI or Zion.
I've also said I think the move to make to handle the cap crunch is eventually burn a 1st to dump CJ.
But Zion and BI both have hazy enough futures thanks to their injury/recovery issues that you have to look at an opportunity like this from all angles. If you're going to make a change to the big 3 in the next few years besides CJ, this is probably the best opportunity that you'll get to do that.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:06 pm to GOP_Tiger
Would he really care though? What's the motivation? He already got the bag. At this point if he doesn't care about his legacy enough to get it together, no message they sent will ever be effective.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:08 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Not sure if you watched the clip but he never stated the Pelicans were having discussions to move Zion.
He mentioned Zion by name today, TigerinATL posted it.
It seemed more like speculation than totally sourced, but he specifically mentioned Zion...and not BI.
He said the Pels were interested in Scoop, that's all he reported on the Pels. Then he asked, basically stating something like, "Would the Pels potentially move a guy like Zion?" That's pure speculation and in no way is it even insinuating the Pels are discussion moving Zion.
There was a reporting piece, and then a speculation piece.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:08 pm to GOP_Tiger
I mean the message works both ways. Say trade doesnt work out and instead of being motivated his camp gets pissed off and demands a trade. Then we’re forced to trade him. Not sure, if sending a message with trade rumors is a great idea.
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