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re: Shams says Pelicans are “aggressively pursuing” a top 2-3 pick for Scoot
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:33 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:33 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Possibly but it doesn't make sense for the Pels.
I mean it might make sense for Zion to go to North Carolina and be "back home", and with Jordan until he sells the team, etc.
Who is our #1? BI...not good enough to be a #1.
Scoot? Name all the players that aren't the greatest shooter of all time to be the best player on a title team at his size.
I believe it was you who said it yesterday, it was 100% a Charlotte leak. If so, then of course Charlotte would want to put out the name like Zion to let teams know if you want this pick, you better be willing to pay a similar, high price for it.
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:37 am to shel311
I know everyone wants to win a title so that’s the goal but lets be real we need a competitive healthy team that can make the playoffs first. Zion and BI have shown us they cant do that. I’ll take the gamble on Scoot that he can at least give us that.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:37 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:CJ would be the one to go, and we have 2 years to sort that out with no concerns over losing Herb or Trey.
You might lose Herb or Trey because with new CBA you likely cant afford the deals if you keep the trio if CJ, BI and Zion.
quote:We're close to the tax now, we aren't losing cap flexibility, we already do not have cap flexibility.
Losing cap flexibility for 2 years matters a lot. You cant improve your team at all even with midseason trades.
We will have much more cap flexibility next offseason though, even if we keep all 3 big salaries next season.
So like I said, we have 2 years to sort it out.
quote:Their 2 best players GIannis/Middleton played 6 seasons together the year they won a title.
Bucks added Jrue to their core and won the whole thing. Didnt really wait 4 years
quote:They do, see above.
A lot of your arguments are not taking into account the new CBA.
quote:We can move CJ any time now and the next 2 years and be fine with respect to the new CBA.
I don’t promote articles, but Shamit article on the new CBA is really helpful in this regard.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:39 am to Balsamic_duck
quote:If they swapped teams for the last 3 years, there likely isn't a single person in the world who would think Murray is better, so yea, this is spot on.
I really think BI is on the same level as Jamal Murray who was just the #2 on a title team.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:43 am to PELsu
quote:
Replacing Zion with Scoot is a drastic step up in personality. I would want to know the “next” move. Like could you make a play for Siakim or someone I’m not thinking. You have everything you need to make whatever team you want really.
I would 100% trade Zion to Charlotte for #2 and pick Scoot.
I would also tell Charlotte some other player that i want them to get for us. Charlotte has cap space, so they can just absorb Zion. We can get a good 3 1sts from them, and then use those picks to send to a 3rd team to get someone we'd like.
Thinking about who would want a bunch of picks, Utah comes to mind.
If you told me we could trade Zion and get back Scoot, Markannen and Kessler, i'd be very happy. I'd be even happier if it was possible to get Mikal Bridges from the Nets instead of the Jazz package.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:44 am to Baron
I think he shot 27.5% in the regular season. In the "showcase" he shot something like 45% from 3, so combined it may be 33%. From what I understand, the showcase is like 5 or 6 "all star" type games where I think defense is secondary.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:45 am to shel311
Your argument depends on easily trading CJ- which we highly disagree on but ok lets see. I think CJ will not be easy to move and Pels know it too.
The fact we traded Devonte for richardson and gave away seconds shows you that this team cares about cap flexibility. I can promise you Pels are seriously considering these deals because of that and JV will get traded too. You dont hold off on cap moves till the last second, you plan for the future ( this isnt Mickey Loomis and the Saints).
Yes but we’re talking about trios and you used Bucks as an analogy of waiting- that was wrong, as soon as bucks added Jrue they won. When we added CJ we got a first round exit and missed playoffs.
Again I think your higly mistaken that you can just easily move off CJ.
The fact we traded Devonte for richardson and gave away seconds shows you that this team cares about cap flexibility. I can promise you Pels are seriously considering these deals because of that and JV will get traded too. You dont hold off on cap moves till the last second, you plan for the future ( this isnt Mickey Loomis and the Saints).
Yes but we’re talking about trios and you used Bucks as an analogy of waiting- that was wrong, as soon as bucks added Jrue they won. When we added CJ we got a first round exit and missed playoffs.
Again I think your higly mistaken that you can just easily move off CJ.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:47 am to TeddyPadillac
The thing that has me the most down on Zion is Embiid's lack of success. He's the one many point to as a positive path forward for Zion, but he still never plays a full season and injury has dragged him down in the playoffs as much as not having a good enough team around him.
If Zion is Embiid at best, is he really worth clinging to?
If Zion is Embiid at best, is he really worth clinging to?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:48 am to ThePistol
quote:I do not typically rely on Jake's "info." With his podcast, he seems to have resorted to simply click bait most of the time.
Jake has been floating this idea of BI and his camp causing some concern this past season. He is making it sound like it wasn't just BI not wanting to come back but that his camp was a large factor in that decision. I'd love to know more on this as it could definitely be a factor in all of this as well.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:49 am to TigerinATL
Yes- embiid is a MVP. If Zion can get close to that, I would hold onto him for dear life. I just think he won’t be that because hes an immature idiot.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:51 am to NOSHAU
I’ve gotten tired of his sorry podcast honestly. He acts like he has this huge insider info and he doesn’t. He literally just click baits off local reporters and then acts like if you listened to this pod daily you would have a heads up. His stuff is literally other reporters work or just crap personal opinions.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:52 am to NOSHAU
quote:Yea, I don't listen much any more but have it in my queue, and the headlines are exactly that.
I do not typically rely on Jake's "info." With his podcast, he seems to have resorted to simply click bait most of the time.
Especially when he'll have those clickbait type headlines, then do segment 1 on why the Pels may do thing x, segment 2 on why they shouldn't, then the conclusion is absolutely no way no chance the Pels will do thing x...that's teh general format of his show and kinda proves how the title is just 100% clickbait.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:53 am to Pels_Yaz
If Zion is included, the haul goes the other way.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:55 am to Fun Bunch
You think so? The guy has hardly played, never in shape and always injured. It’ll be interesting to see how much Pels really want to move off Zion. Personally I think Griffin wants to get off him quickly.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:55 am to TigerinATL
quote:Yes IMO
If Zion is Embiid at best, is he really worth clinging to?
He's an MVP and top 5 players, for a franchise like the Pels, you take that every time.
And Embiid's big downfall is that he shrinks in the postseason, now obviously we don't know if Zion would or would not, but we don't have the evidence already in hand that he keeps doing it and coming up small in the postseason like Embiid, so there's that chance he can come up big in those moments.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:55 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:
You think so?
yes
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:57 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
If Zion is included, the haul goes the other way.
This leak from Charlotte is basically them showing they want Zion which gives the Pels leverage if Zion for Scoot is actually a conversation being had. Which is why it probably is trying to get other teams to trade for #2, not the Pels.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 10:58 am
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:58 am to Fun Bunch
If so what should we get for him? Number 2 pick and another first? I cant see Charlotte giving more than number 2 pick.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:59 am to TigerinATL
I would take Zion becoming perennial MVP candidate Embiid all day every day
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:59 am to Pels_Yaz
Number 2, Salary match as much as needed, and at least two other firsts with light protections. If not more.
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