re: Shams: NBA targeting Dec 22nd Start, 72 game season

To make this easier there are 2 desperates.

1. "we have 1-2 good players and high draft picks because our bench sucks"

2. "We have a great rotation and young assets but need 1 more piece"

If Jrue is traded team #2 should be the move. Get the young rotation to put next to BI/ Zion and still have 10 draft picks the next 3 years.

You realize how shitty you made that Nets trade to prove a point right?

To answer your question we would ask for more than that from Atlanta. They might not do it because they need some of those guys along with Jrue or else they'd still be irrelevant.

That's my whole point. Mediocre teams with high draft picks want to keep their young assets to pair with Jrue. So they will try to add more picks, etc

Teams with 2 dominant players know Jrue + those 2 players can make them win. They would trade those extra young assets if they could get him.

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Nets package for Jrue would include 2 of Dinwiddie, LaVert, Prince, Allen.

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That's exactly the package I posted up top, yet you stated its "shitty"

Come on dude, of you're going to try to argue, at least keep one position.

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You really think we would trade Jrue to the Nets without LaVert or Dinwiddie

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They MAY add Levert, but not Dinwiddie. They are bending over backwards for Kyrie and KD, they're not going to trade one of their best friends.

Also, I said IF THE NETS COME WITH THIS OFFER, AND ATLANTA COMES WITH THE OTHER OFFER. It's not a "hey this is all they will give up or all we will get".

Also, I don't belive the Nets will be as desperate as everyone thinks, and I also don't value Levert as much as yall do.

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The Hawks have to think about adding in those extra young guys because they aren't already a contender and rely on those young guys to keep building. Do you not understand that?

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They are also in the same situation as Minnesota with a disgruntled young player(s) in Young and Collins, and have to get them some help. They know this, they have the assets also, which is why I believe they will be one of the teams that comes after Jrue hard.

Didn't Shams report just about a week ago that the league was targeting MLK Day for the start? He seems to be all over the place with that. Seems it is still in a state of flux right now.

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The problem is that teams like the Hawks and Minny are walking on a thin line. They have great young stars but are very mediocre. If they trade for Jrue it could make them better. OR those players may leave anyway and they just traded their future assets for a few years rental of Jrue. It's not as cut and dry with those teams as contenders.

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You mean exactly what we did with AD? I get what you're saying here, but if you have good young players that could turn out to be great young players, you have to keep them happy by any means possible. They cannot stay in a constant state of rebuild, which is why they pretty much HAVE to do something to get vet pieces that fit with Trae or D'lo, and there's really noone better than Jrue for that.

I agree with you. What I'm trying to get you to understand is that we are not desperate to trade Jrue. The pels probably have several packages that we could get right now. We are most likely going to try to ask for the maximum package from a lot of teams and then decide if he's more valuable on our roster.

Why would we entertain the Hawks or Minny only to make their team better or keep them happy? There is only so much those teams can give up without still being mediocre with Jrue. If we know there are good packages elsewhere then the Hawks or Minny have to give us whatever we ask for.

They don't have a luxury of "well we want this guy and this guy next to Trey, how about we throw in a future 1st instead of the better player? We could really use him next to Jrue and Trey".

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Teams with 2 dominant players know Jrue + those 2 players can make them win.

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Don't we have two dominant players (Zion and Ingram). There is no positional overlap. If Holiday is that great and would have such an impact, why wouldn't we just keep him?

Don't say the contract part. If he wins here, we have bird rights and can overpay him. He wouldn't go anywhere. So why is everybody so gung ho to trade him?

You trade Jrue for long term pieces to put around Zion and Ingram, while still winning in the short term.

What if I told you we could trade Jrue and get in return:

A starting 5 that fits perfectly and spaces the floor

A 6'7 wing that hits the 3 at 38%

A primary ballhandler for the next 10 years

And still have 20 million or so in cap space to go grab another vet like Jerami Grant, PLUS still have the MLE.

We could achieve all that with the Jrue trade to Atlanta I posted above, and be far better off now and in the future.

Yes, I don't want to trade Jrue, but if we can improve our team now and in the future, then you do it.

I wouldn't mind them trading Holiday. I just don't understand if he has so much value and we can get so much, why didn't we do better? Something is just off about the whole thing. Either he isn't that great or something is just really wrong with the team that he couldn't make an impact. It's worrisome.

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We could achieve all that with the Jrue trade to Atlanta I posted above, and be far better off now and in the future.

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I live in Atlanta and follow the Hawks pretty close. Which guys are you talking about? The have some good players that could be great in the right situations.

Dedmon is done. He is over 30, got his money and is just riding it out. I wouldn't touch him.

I like Huerter and I'm sure they would be open to moving here. They have a log jam at SF, especially if you add Holiday. But do you really want him over Hunter and Reddish?

Is the #6 pick where you are getting the ballhandler? Hayes or Haliburton?

Just curious, why wouldn't you ask for Collins? Atlanta is struggling after his suspension about giving him a max. He can play Center, especially next to Zion and shoots really well. Could be a straight up swap. Holiday for Collins..