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re: Saw Hypothetical Trade on yahoo this morning
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:48 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:48 am to TeddyPadillac
None of those players you mentioned outside of Melo did any of that at the age of 21, 22, and 23.
Ad still has 3-4 yrs before he hits his NBA prime
Ad still has 3-4 yrs before he hits his NBA prime
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 10:50 am
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Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:49 am to Colonel Flagg
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injuries has held him back
He has always sat more than normal b/c we never have anything to play for. If we were a playoff team, he'd be missing 10 games instead of 20.
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He also has played in a strong Western conference
So is Lillard, why do they keep making the playoffs? It was just him an Aldridge and they were winning 50 games.
Westbrook has twice won at least 45 games without Durant in the difficult west.
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Gordon and Holiday both averaged less than 55 wins a season playing with him. Evans barely played two seasons ago. Anderson missed almost an entire season and then had two seasons he missed 15-20 games.
I didn't know role players had that big of an impact on a legit superstar getting his team to win more than 30 games. Is AD the only superstar that has issues with his role players missing games?
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:54 am to The_Duke
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None of those players you mentioned outside of Melo did any of that at the age of 21, 22, and 23.
So you missed the part where fresh out of high school Kevin Garnett led the Wolves to the playoffs 8 years in a row with Terrell Brandon and Wally Szerbiak?
I didn't mention what Harden and Westbrook, or Durant for that matter did right out of college since they all played together.
and yeah Lillard came into the league 3 years older than AD.
CP3 was 20 when we drafted him.
You want to look for some more excuses?
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Ad still has 3-4 yrs before he hits his NBA prime
my point is these other guys were able to get their teams to the playoffs before their "prime".
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:02 am to TeddyPadillac
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I dont' think so.
If he were in the conversation of being one of the greatest players in the NBA, then we wouldn't be winning 30 games every season.
Who is Karl Malone without a John Stockton setting him up and Jeff Hornacek spacing the court? I know with those 2 he's a 2 time MVP that made it to the Finals twice. AD's not a great offensive creator and he has defensive flaws for someone with his tools, but he still can impact the game on both ends of the floor better than all but a few players in the league. He may never be a LeBron but why can't he be a Malone?
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:12 am to TeddyPadillac
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So you missed the part where fresh out of high school Kevin Garnett led the Wolves to the playoffs 8 years in a row with Terrell Brandon and Wally Szerbiak?
Just went looked it up
Nope didn't make the playoffs his first year---second year did make it but still had a losing record (aint happening nowadays). Oh and he did have Stephen Marbury. A player better than anyone Davis has ever played with until this year
and AD did get his team to the playoffs before his prime and will do it again this year.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 11:13 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:12 am to TeddyPadillac
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He has always sat more than normal b/c we never have anything to play for. If we were
I am not blaming Davis’s injuries.
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I didn't know role players had that big of an impact on a legit superstar getting his team to win more than 30 games. Is AD the only superstar that has issues with his role players missing games?
I am blaming the fact everyone outside of D-Leaguers have been completely absent and inconsistent due to injuries. There has been no consistentency to the rotations.
I think the previous roster with Holiday, Anderson, Evans, and Gordon could have been really good; however, the whole team was injured.
The coaching has been mediocre at best also.
Every team has injuries, but I would be shocked if another big time player has dealt with the scope of injuries issues on their team over such a long period of time.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 11:15 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:14 am to TigerinATL
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Who is Karl Malone without a John Stockton
They made the playoffs in their first year, and every year after that. Why didn't they have to wait until their "prime" to get their team good?
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He may never be a LeBron but why can't he be a Malone?
why can't he be a Garnett?
Dirk lost 19 games his rookie year as a 20 year old, then never won less than 40 until this past year.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 11:17 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:18 am to TeddyPadillac
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Harden is surrounded by our rejects and they are a top 4 team.
AD took them to the playoffs too
The problem rests with Alvin, not Davis
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 11:19 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:22 am to The_Duke
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Nope didn't make the playoffs his first year---second year did make it but still had a losing record (aint happening nowadays). Oh and he did have Stephen Marbury. A player better than anyone Davis has ever played with until this year
how about you read my posts better where I said he missed the playoffs his rookie year then made it 8 years in a row.
and he had Marbury for 2 seasons, then Terrell Brandon. you ever think maybe Marbury wasn't that good, just that Garnett made him that good? He did little to nothing after he left Garnett. Made the playoffs twice, on stacked teams, and was traded constantly b/c he's a terrible teammate.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:25 am to Louisianabound88
terrible
if we did actually go through with that its complete rebuild mode. should at least also trade boogie to a team like Cleveland for their 1st round from brooklyn
if we did actually go through with that its complete rebuild mode. should at least also trade boogie to a team like Cleveland for their 1st round from brooklyn
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 11:26 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:29 am to Colonel Flagg
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I am blaming the fact everyone outside of D-Leaguers have been completely absent and inconsistent due to injuries. There has been no consistentency to the rotations. I think the previous roster with Holiday, Anderson, Evans, and Gordon could have been really good; however, the whole team was injured. The coaching has been mediocre at best also.
I agree with all of that.
all i'm saying is when you see AD, you think he's a more skilled Kevin Garnett. Guys like Garnett, Duncan, Dirk, that's who he compares to, and he's more talented than all three of them, but AD does not have the drive to win games down the stretch like those guys did. That's what is missing from AD's game, and why I don't think he's going to be "the best player in the NBA in 3 years"
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:29 am to TeddyPadillac
Marbury literally had his best years once he left--was avg over 20pts a game for the next 8 seasons.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:39 am to Lsuespn
Cousins would be traded before AD.
Let's just leave that there.
Let's just leave that there.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:39 am to The_Duke
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Marbury literally had his best years once he left--was avg over 20pts a game for the next 8 seasons.
on teams that couldn't get to the playoffs. He has always been a me me player. All about getting his stats first, winning doesn't matter, which is why he was essentially kicked off the Knicks team after they said they weren't going to start him, and then paid him $20m to stay the hell away from the team. The knicks never had a winning season during his 5 seasons there, even though they made the playoffs once.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:00 pm to TigerinATL
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Who is Karl Malone without a John Stockton setting him up and Jeff Hornacek spacing the court?
Who is Malone without Hornecek? The guy who hovered around 14 points a game with the Jazz? lol. On those finals teams he averaged less than 1 three a game. Weak shite.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:44 pm to TeddyPadillac
Davis is not more talented than Dirk, Duncan or Garnett. What world are you living in? Duncan is a top 5 Center all time. Garnett and Dirk are 2 of the most talented 7 footers to ever play. What can he do that Garnett couldn't? The over valuation of Davis by this fanbase is unreal. He is a great player with a lot of talent. But of the so called most gifted players, his career is an embarrassment..
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:57 pm to brmark70816
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Davis is not more talented than Dirk, Duncan or Garnett
yes he is, and all three of them would admit that too. Talent only gets you so far though. Just b/c I said he's more talented then them, and by talented I just mean with god given physical abilities, doesn't make him better than them, b/c he is not near the same stratosphere as those 3.
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He is a great player with a lot of talent. But of the so called most gifted players, his career is an embarrassment..
That's my whole point.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:04 pm to brmark70816
I think Davis is more talented but he's not as skilled as those guys and it blame that on the modern NBA and coaching trends.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 4:44 pm to Lsuespn
Pels are not going to be successful until their is a total overhaul of the front office and coaching staff.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 6:19 pm to Colonel Flagg
The problem with that is they are telling cousins the coach will stay if he signs boogie is looking for stability
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