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Protected vs unprotected draft pics
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:15 am
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:15 am
I am not much of an NBA fan. To tell you the truth, I haven't watched one NBA game in the past 3 years, not even a finals game. This is what Zion has brought to the non NBA fans. I am now interested in watching some Pelican games.
With that being said, I am not even familiar with how all these trades work for the pelicans and what it all means. On the surface it appears to be good, with future first round pics or is it? Is a protected 1st round pic good? What exactly does it mean to have a pic that's protected vs unprotected? Can someone explain the difference and having a long term view of the others teams successes, will these draft pics be as high as a lottery pic?
With that being said, I am not even familiar with how all these trades work for the pelicans and what it all means. On the surface it appears to be good, with future first round pics or is it? Is a protected 1st round pic good? What exactly does it mean to have a pic that's protected vs unprotected? Can someone explain the difference and having a long term view of the others teams successes, will these draft pics be as high as a lottery pic?
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 8:20 am
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Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:17 am to coondaddy21
Teams put a pick range protection on a pick so if the pick ends up in that range, it does not convey that year.
ETA: or maybe not at all. Each protection trade is different and has its own scenarios.
ETA: or maybe not at all. Each protection trade is different and has its own scenarios.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 8:21 am
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:18 am to coondaddy21
So last year Dallas traded this years first round pick to Atlanta to move up in the draft. The pick was top 5 protected meaning if the Mavs got pick 1-5 for this year they would keep their pick rather then sending it to Atlanta. They ended up getting 10 so Atlanta got their pick they traded last year. Hope this helps.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 8:19 am
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:21 am to RagingCajun3195
Now to really confuse you, our 2021 pick from the Lakers is ‘reverse’ protected 1-8. That means if the Lakers get 1-8 in 2021, the pick would go to us, but if they get 9-30, they keep the pick and we get their 2022 pick.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:21 am to RagingCajun3195
yes, that helps but lets say Dallas got to keep the pic because it was 1-5, does Atlanta then get default compensation in future years or is it just a chance you take when making the deal, you may or may not get their pic?
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:22 am to coondaddy21
This is a fairly gross oversimplification but here goes.
Teams that are trading picks can “protect” them by saying if it is so high, they get to keep it. Usually the pick the following year is sent over, either protected less strictly (I.e Top 3 protected vs Top 8 protected), unprotected or a not sent over (somewhat rare). It’s also possible for the pick to become an unprotected 2nd round pick.
Protection is meant to “protect” the seller from overpaying for an asset or becoming very bad due to lack of draft picks.
Teams that are trading picks can “protect” them by saying if it is so high, they get to keep it. Usually the pick the following year is sent over, either protected less strictly (I.e Top 3 protected vs Top 8 protected), unprotected or a not sent over (somewhat rare). It’s also possible for the pick to become an unprotected 2nd round pick.
Protection is meant to “protect” the seller from overpaying for an asset or becoming very bad due to lack of draft picks.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:23 am to coondaddy21
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Atlanta then get default compensation in future years or is it just a chance you take when making the deal, you may or may not get their pic?
Each scenario is different. Some might have a protection for a year or two and then if it hasn't conveyed become unprotected the following year.
Some, like the Cavs pick we got last night, might just turn into multiple 2nd round picks if it doesn't convey.
It all depends on the deal.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:24 am to coondaddy21
I enjoy watching basketball but I'm in the same boat, buddy. While I'm at it, let me spit out a bunch of other shite I don't really understand: The NBA draft, protected picks, expiring contracts, midlevel exceptions, luxury tax, and player options.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:24 am to coondaddy21
Atlanta would get it the next year...but picks can have multiple years of protection.
For instance the Cavs 2020 1st we got in the ATL trade last night is fairly worthless.
It’s 1-10 protected in 2020, which means it’s very unlikely to convey. Once it doesn’t convey it automatically conveys as 2021 and 2023 2nds.
For instance the Cavs 2020 1st we got in the ATL trade last night is fairly worthless.
It’s 1-10 protected in 2020, which means it’s very unlikely to convey. Once it doesn’t convey it automatically conveys as 2021 and 2023 2nds.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:25 am to coondaddy21
Typically you prefer an unprotected pick, which means regardless of where the pick lands you get it. Sometimes teams place protections on picks, which mean if a pick falls within the protected range, it does not convey to the team trading for the pick. If a pick does not convey because it is protected, it rolls over to the following year, where the protections could be different, or it could turn into a unprotected pick. Example: top 5 protected, lottery protected (top 14), etc...
In some uncommon instances protections can be in favor of the team trading for the pick. For example, the Pels own the Lakers 2021 pick that is protected 9-30. Which means the Pels only get the pick if it's in the top 8. If it's not in the top 8, the Pels get the Lakers unprotected 2022 pick.
In some uncommon instances protections can be in favor of the team trading for the pick. For example, the Pels own the Lakers 2021 pick that is protected 9-30. Which means the Pels only get the pick if it's in the top 8. If it's not in the top 8, the Pels get the Lakers unprotected 2022 pick.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:26 am to xCptNemo
so the 2024 unprotected pick we get from the Lakers will be the Pelicans pick, no matter where that pick is located in the draft and the right to defer means the Lakers or the Pelican's can defer it to 2025?
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:27 am to coondaddy21
A normal pick will have declining protections from year to year before becoming unprotected.
Ex - Boston owns a Memphis pick which has been protected for years, is top 6 protected for 2020, and will be an unprotected 2021 pick if it doesn’t convey in 2020.
Other picks will have protections which run a certain range and then turn into something else or just go away completely if they don’t fall in the right range.
Ex - The Cleveland first that Atlanta sent us is top 10 protected. If it falls in the top 10 of 2020, it converts into 2nd rounders in 2021 and 2022.
There are also some picks like a top 55 protected second, which mainly exist in order to do salary dumps. We actually had one of those which conveyed from Denver this year, but it is extremely rare for one of those to do so unless it is a dynasty team like the Warriors.
Ex - Boston owns a Memphis pick which has been protected for years, is top 6 protected for 2020, and will be an unprotected 2021 pick if it doesn’t convey in 2020.
Other picks will have protections which run a certain range and then turn into something else or just go away completely if they don’t fall in the right range.
Ex - The Cleveland first that Atlanta sent us is top 10 protected. If it falls in the top 10 of 2020, it converts into 2nd rounders in 2021 and 2022.
There are also some picks like a top 55 protected second, which mainly exist in order to do salary dumps. We actually had one of those which conveyed from Denver this year, but it is extremely rare for one of those to do so unless it is a dynasty team like the Warriors.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:28 am to coondaddy21
Deferral would be at our discretion.
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