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brmark70816
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re: Predicting Player Minutes
I don't think Zion gets that many minutes this season. I'm thinking closer to 25-28. I do think Ingram will play a lot of the 4 with us going smaller (with Zion at the 5). Moore and Miller will both be over 10mpg. Vets shooters that know the system and can play multi positions..


Epic Cajun
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Especially Melli. Be barely averaged that where he was at

Melli averaged 26 minutes per game, and their games are only 40 minutes. I don’t think he’s coming here to average less than 10 minutes per game. Unless he really isn’t good, but I don’t see that.

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Favors was at 23mpg last year, and I know its different circumstances but I cant see him getting that big of a bump.
He’s a center, he was forced into a situation where he had to play PF, or backup center minutes. He doesn’t really have much competition at center on this team.

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Okafor 8


If Melli is playing <10 minutes, Favors is playing <30 minutes, and Okafor is playing <8 minutes, who the hell is playing center on this team?



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PelicansBay
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Favors 30


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Melli 15


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Miller 10
Okafor 8


I dont think any of them get that many minutes. Especially Melli. Be barely averaged that where he was at, he's not going to transition THAT well. I cant see him getting more than 10. Favors was at 23mpg last year, and I know its different circumstances but I cant see him getting that big of a bump.

I've always liked Miller, but at the minimum, him and Moore share minutes, with Moore getting more minutes being the more likely outcome. I say that about Okafor out of wishful thinking.

Also, whats the word on Kenrich these days?


How the roster is constructed, Melli needs to get his minutes. He's the Pels only stretch big. If Melli is a flop, Miller, Hayes, or Kendrich will have to play quality minutes at backup-PF. I think Griffin/ Langdon brought Melli for a reason. I trust their player evaluation process. I think he's initially in the rotation.


Favors is the teams only imposing veteran. With him on the bench, Zion is the Pels only viable option at C, I only want him playing about 10 minutes a game at C. Unless you have faith in giving Okafor extended minutes or immediately playing Hayes, the Pels need Favors to play about 30 minutes a game.

Favors is a FA at the end of the year, that's one reason I expect him and Ingram to log heavy minutes. I think the Pels would want to gauge both of their abilities before deciding how much to extend them for.


PelicansBay
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18-19 NBA Rookie stats
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I don't think Zion gets that many minutes this season. I'm thinking closer to 25-28.


What kind of logic supports this. Rookie season stats: Luka and Sexton averaged 32mpg, Young and Ayton 31mpg, Bridges and Knox 29mpg, Huerter 27mpg, SGA and Jaren Jackson 26mpg, Bagley and Wendell Carter 25mpg.
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Favors is the teams only imposing veteran. With him on the bench, Zion is the Pels only viable option at C, I only want him playing about 10 minutes a game at C.


This obviously ties in with the whole "Zion is still growing" discussion," but I'm really curious how good we'd be with a small-ball lineup out there with Zion at the 5. I also wonder, when Zion and Melli are on the floor at the same time, which of them defends the 4 and which of them defends the 5.


LouisianaJoseph
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 they aren't going to be sold to a team that needs shooting for a playoff run, because they aren't good enough for that. 

Moore isn't good enough to trade at the deadline for a couple seconds? I cannot see that being true.


cgrand
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of course he is (maybe one 2nd though).
question is will anyone want him bad enough to trade for him

more likely he goes out with Miller for a big salary
next years FA class is putrid


LouisianaJoseph
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Seeing as how the west is wide open and depending on how the season plays out I feel like there could be multiple teams looking for a 40% 3 point shooter. But we'll see.


Epic Cajun
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which of them defends the 4 and which of them defends the 5.

I would assume that Zion would defend the more mobile player, which would be the 4 in 95% of instances.


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Epic Cajun
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I feel like there could be multiple teams looking for a 40% 3 point shooter

Luke Babbitt is a career 40% 3pt shooter.


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PelicansBay
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Favors is the teams only imposing veteran. With him on the bench, Zion is the Pels only viable option at C, I only want him playing about 10 minutes a game at C.


This obviously ties in with the whole "Zion is still growing" discussion," but I'm really curious how good we'd be with a small-ball lineup out there with Zion at the 5. I also wonder, when Zion and Melli are on the floor at the same time, which of them defends the 4 and which of them defends the 5.


Remember, Zion is 19. I don't want him playing many minutes against starting C's; he should dominate backup C's. He does weigh 285.
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LouisianaJoseph
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Luke Babbitt is a career 40% 3pt shooter

So is Curry


cgrand
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cmon man
you know better than that

it’s about volume and assisted vs non assisted

Moore is a nice player and if they’d signed him this year at 1/8MM we’d all be excited about what he could do. But he’s not an in demand trade piece


Epic Cajun
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My point is, if all you offer is a spot up 3 point shot, you may not be that valuable.

Moore is not a bad player, but he’s also not a good player. He does one thing really well, and everything else below average.


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LouisianaJoseph
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Well I don't know why Luke was brought up in the conversation either.

Wasn't Korver a valuable enough asset for teams needing shooting last season? Jazz traded 2 picks for him and Burks.
Also Moore has been playing out of position for 2 years. Im not suggesting we'll get alot back in a trade but he should be worth a 2nd for sure in my opinion. He's also a great locker room guy and a vet who does whatever he's asked. Moves well off the ball and tries on defense.

I only watch the Pels so maybe I'm overestimating his value.
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cgrand
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There might be 25 guys in the league that make a fraction of what he makes that do what he can do. Maybe more

and I like the dude
I said in the 1st post here that he will play heavy minutes

his floater is money and he can make a spot up 3
but he’s not a difference maker and if he’s not why would you give an asset for him?
He’s a guy you sign as a FA just like the pels did



LouisianaJoseph
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I feel like some of those 25 guys aren't on the trade block.
Is Korver that much better? Is Mirotic 4 times better?


Epic Cajun
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Is Korver that much better?
Yes (well maybe not now because he’s obviously passed his prime), they are completely different types of players though. Luke was brought up because they are similar types of players. Guys who shoot a high percentage from 3, but do so because they are only taking those shots when they are wide open. Korver (in his prime) is a guy who is going to provide a lot of off ball movement in order to create his own shots to a degree, he’s similar to Redick, Klay, and Shamet in that sense.

Just looking at a players 3 point percentage doesn’t tell the entire story of the type of a shooter a player is.


brmark70816
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re: Predicting Player Minutes
Looking at your list, most of the bigger players were in the 25-28 range. Seems about right to bring Zion along slowly and not overtax him his first season.

Also, over the past two seasons we have had at least 10 players average 20 mpg. Playing a high pace, Gentry like to sub a lot. Should be about the same this season..


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cgrand
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re: Predicting Player Minutes
let’s keep some perspective here
Moore is a trade candidate because his contract is expiring

no other reason


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