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re: Pels vs Suns: Foot on the throat

Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:06 am to
Posted by supe12sta12z
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:06 am to
I disagree. Hayes was having a great game and with Nance and Val struggling, Hayes would have gotten more playing time if he continued to produce.
Posted by hendersonshands
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:07 am to
Paul played 40 minutes tonight. He's only done that 5 times this season and not since February 8th. Let's see what legs he has left on Sunday night.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:07 am to
Preach hendo

CJ isn’t our PG but he’s absolutely fine as a third option to run the offense outside of Zion and Bi, both of whom the offense will go through
Posted by Not Cooper
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:08 am to
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Herb/Hayes in the pick and roll defense would have at least slowed Paul down.

Hayes on Paul is a nightmare that you can only hope ends in a foul on the floor
Posted by supe12sta12z
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:09 am to
His length and speed would force Paul to take difficult shots over him. Hayes was playing the pick and roll well when they switched on him several times in the series.
Posted by hendersonshands
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:09 am to
Hayes is actually a pretty solid wing defender. He would get cooked by Paul some but he can really move his feet out there. Too bad he has a pile of shite for brains.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:12 am to
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Hayes would have gotten more playing time if he continued to produce.
He was -5, it certainly wasn't a "great" game.

Not sure why you'd have confidence he would have logged minutes in the 4th, there was very little chance of that
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:13 am to
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erb/Hayes in the pick and roll defense would have at least slowed Paul down.
Paul gets the switch, Hayes has less than zero chance of on Paul, easy 12 footer or a foul.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:15 am to
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His length and speed would force Paul to take difficult shots over him
He'd draw a foul, get any open middie he wanted or get a layup 1 on 1 with Hayes every single time.

Like, what are we doing when we're thinking Jax had any shot whatsoever on Chris Paul...
Posted by Jar_Jar_80
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:15 am to
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Hayes wouldn't be have been in the game in the 4th quarter even if he wasn't ejected.


You do not know this. The Suns had a completely different game plan from game 1 and 2 with Booker being out running nothing but pick and rolls. Willie was searching for anything to try and slow it down Trey was not effective so he stayed with Larry and Jose. Best believe Willie would have gave Jax a try seeing he pretty good at staying in front of a guard and contesting Paul shot with way more length than Larry could have thrown off a couple of those shots.
Posted by supe12sta12z
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:17 am to
He guarded Paul several times in the series off the switch and left him at a stalemate. His length and speed affected Paul when Paul tried to beat him off the switch. He might not win every battle but he would have been more effective than Nance with his length and speed.
This post was edited on 4/23/22 at 12:17 am
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:18 am to
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You do not know this
Just like saying he would have been out there on the 4th doesn't know that, but the previous 2 games tell me the odds are in my favor.

I don't get why we're thinking Willie wanting Jax to guard CP3 in a pick and roll is a thing. That's an awful idea that would not end well.
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:20 am to
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He guarded Paul several times in the series off the switch and left him at a stalemate
In the 1st quarter when Paul isn't remotely in the same mode as we've seen him in the 4th?
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His length and speed affected Paul when Paul tried to beat him off the switch. He might not win every battle but he would have been more effective than Nance with his length and speed.
He'd have zero chance. None.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with dudes thinking Jax has any shot whatsoever against Chris freaking Paul when it matters most.
Posted by supe12sta12z
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:21 am to
You don’t know that but you keep arguing like you do. You don’t even account for the struggles Nance and Val had. And assume Green wouldn’t use Hayes in the 4th. I don’t buy that.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:22 am to
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And I’ll even say having Jax in the fourth switching on CP instead of Nance would have made a difference too.
Would be no reason to hunt switches if Jaxson was in the game. They'd just dump it to Ayton in the post and have him obliterate Jaxson.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:26 am to
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You don’t know that but you keep arguing like you do
Ok, and you did the exact same thing, assuming he would have played the 4th when he hadn't done so in the 1st 2 games so why is it ok for you to assume he'd do something he had yet to do?
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You don’t even account for the struggles Nance and Val had
You haven't remotely followed this thread if you think that.
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And assume Green wouldn’t use Hayes in the 4th. I don’t buy that.
You have zero basis for this. I have wayyyyyy more evidence he wouldn't have played yet here you are pretending he would have played despite playing a grand total off 0 4th quarter minutes in games 1 & 2.

He was also -17 for the series when he got ejected. But again, tell me more about Jax the difference maker who could do something with Chris Paul in a pick and roll late in a playoff 4th quarter, something very few have ever success with. But Jaxson Hayes was the man for the job? What are we doing right now?
Posted by supe12sta12z
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:27 am to
That’s like saying Green would never play 3 rookies to close a play in game because he hasn’t done it. But here we are.

Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:32 am to
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That’s like saying Green would never play 3 rookies to close a play in game because he hasn’t done it
Its literally nothing like that because Willie never played a play in game but you already know that so I'm not sure why you'd try to make that truly awful comparison.

We do have 2 examples of Jax getting zero 4th quarter minutes in this series, so again, legitimately nothing like you're play in hypothetical.

But again, please explain why you're calling me out for pretending I know what Willie would do whole also telling me you know what Willie would have done despite Willie having not done that in 2 games...
Posted by supe12sta12z
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:34 am to
Because every game will be different and the players ahead of him will have games where they struggle heavily like tonight which would allow opportunities for him to be on the court. Simple ain’t it?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 4/23/22 at 12:37 am to
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Because every game will be different and the players ahead of him will have games where they struggle heavily like tonight which would allow opportunities for him to be on the court. Simple ain’t it?
I'm confused...

This is your answer to why you're so certain Willie would have played Jaxson but called me out for assuming I knew what Willie would have done while you had no problem assuming what you think he would have done?

Surely that's not your answer, correct?
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