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re: Pels trying to acquire a draft pick
Posted on 6/15/14 at 1:49 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Posted on 6/15/14 at 1:49 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
I agree, we're 'crippled' right now because of the contracts we have on board.
14.9mil - Eric Gordon
11.2mil - Tyreke Evans
11.0mil - Jrue Holiday
8.5 mil - Ryan Anderson
Top 4 paid, that is an issue, but if we're going to build, we need to build 2-3 years into the future, not just for the now.
If we take on some ludicrous contract that runs into 2016, I rather keep Gordon since his PO runs only for the 2015 season. Unless we we can get a starting caliber SF @10mil/yr, I'm gonna keep EG for 2 more years. The core players will all be under 30 still and if somehow EG or Reke play out of their minds, we have a great trading chip for another star.
14.9mil - Eric Gordon
11.2mil - Tyreke Evans
11.0mil - Jrue Holiday
8.5 mil - Ryan Anderson
Top 4 paid, that is an issue, but if we're going to build, we need to build 2-3 years into the future, not just for the now.
If we take on some ludicrous contract that runs into 2016, I rather keep Gordon since his PO runs only for the 2015 season. Unless we we can get a starting caliber SF @10mil/yr, I'm gonna keep EG for 2 more years. The core players will all be under 30 still and if somehow EG or Reke play out of their minds, we have a great trading chip for another star.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 8:47 pm to TigerinATL
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the team would benefit greatly from adding another B player to the roster
Of course. Same time though how many B guys can we expect to be on one roster? They've got 4 right now. That they don't make for a straightforward fit (and were injured) is the problem, not a lack of talent.
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best opportunity to do that by a large margin is with cap space before AD's extension kicks in
Yep. Which is why the combo of Holiday and Evans moves and not unloading Gordon bothers me. Demps bet on it working or still being able to move one of those guys. Jury is still out on that thought.
But they've got <$30M for 2016/17 guaranteed right now. That will obviously go up some, but they look to have massive room as Davis starts his prime. They can renounce Gordon if it comes to that and clear up a lot of space heading into FA.
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But what these rumors are suggesting to me isn't desperation by Demps, but Demps smelling an opportunity
He should be shopping Gordon to see if he can pull off a good deal. But I don't think the dream deal is out there. Golden State had to give up 4 picks (2 1sts, 2 2nds) to dump dead salaries to a resetting Utah. Gordon is more useful than any of those players, but I can't imagine the Pelicans not having to sweeten the pot to get someone to bite on him and his contract at this point.
Yet, if we take this in concert with the Evans/Gordon rumors from the winter, the clear issue with Evans role/playing time, the team's repeated stated desire to find a 2 way big and add a starting caliber SF, Demps potentially on the hot seat, and Monty/Dell not on the same page w/ the roster, it's not unreasonable to speculate that these are course correction/panic moves.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:02 am to corndeaux
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it's not unreasonable to speculate that these are course correction/panic moves.
He's been in "course correction" mode since 1) He signed Gordon to a max deal and he didn't play for 2 straight years, and 2) he decided getting another Lopez later was easier than getting another Tyreke later. Demps trying to acquire a center is not a panic move, it's been the stated intention since he had to dump Lopez to make room for Tyreke. A panic move, or course correction, would be trying to trade Holiday and Tyreke. Trying to reacquire things you had to give up to get something you wanted more is not a panic move, it's what Demps SHOULD be focusing on.
Did Demps underestimate how hard it would be to move Gordon and replace Lopez? Probably, but we still don't know what time horizon his plan is built around. Everything is still in place for this to work out just fine by 2015. I do think you're right in that taking on longer term deals to make things happen would be a panic move, but the only hint of that has come from people in this thread that are Demps Doubters, not any of the actual rumors. The most Demps is rumored to take on is Monroe near the max. I would be opposed to that move, but at the same time I don't think is terrible because moving Gordon and Anderson for Monroe allows you to reset and rebalance the roster. Is a core of Holiday/Evans/AD paired with either Anderson vs. Monroe that much different?
Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:21 am to TigerinATL
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Is a core of Holiday/Evans/AD paired with either Anderson vs. Monroe that much different?
I think it has the potential to be.
It may take time to see the difference, but I think Davis and Monroe would have an easier time defining defensive roles than Davis and Anderson. Monroe may be a terrible defender, but he's a big body. If Monty employs a decent system / scheme, Monroe can find his niche on that end of the floor and Davis can roam. We saw how poorly Anderson faired against opposing centers this year.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:56 am to TigerinATL
You're on the optimistic side, I'm a bit more cynical on this. It's all speculation any way. Aren't offseasons fun?
Well they aren't going to leak that moving Gordon will require taking back Gerald Wallace or Josh Smith
Not at all. I love Anderson and pace/space, but I'd be fine with Monroe and his contract. Would prefer something like Derrick Favors money, but a max wouldn't be terrible for a talented 24yo pf/c. Both scenarios they still need plenty of big wing help and a reliable 3rd big.
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The most Demps is rumored to take on is Monroe near the max
Well they aren't going to leak that moving Gordon will require taking back Gerald Wallace or Josh Smith
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Is a core of Holiday/Evans/AD paired with either Anderson vs. Monroe that much different?
Not at all. I love Anderson and pace/space, but I'd be fine with Monroe and his contract. Would prefer something like Derrick Favors money, but a max wouldn't be terrible for a talented 24yo pf/c. Both scenarios they still need plenty of big wing help and a reliable 3rd big.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 9:02 am to corndeaux
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It's all speculation any way. Aren't offseasons fun?
This one has surprisingly had more to talk about than I thought it would considering the cap space, lack of picks, trade pieces. I figured we'd be dead until after the draft.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 9:50 am to corndeaux
quote:Maybe I am in the minority, but I do not see Monroe as being worth a max contract.
Not at all. I love Anderson and pace/space, but I'd be fine with Monroe and his contract. Would prefer something like Derrick Favors money, but a max wouldn't be terrible for a talented 24yo pf/c. Both scenarios they still need plenty of big wing help and a reliable 3rd big.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 9:54 am to NOSHAU
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but I do not see Monroe as being worth a max contract.
He isn't.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 10:11 am to TigerinATL
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This one has surprisingly had more to talk about than I thought it would considering the cap space, lack of picks, trade pieces
The funny thing is I bet they could do nothing major, fill in around the edges and win about 15 more games with good health and better chemistry.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 10:16 am to NOSHAU
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I do not see Monroe as being worth a max contract.
He's not. But you can spend your money in much worse ways than a max for a 24 year old 15 and 9 C/PF. Like I said, Favors money ($12M/year) is ideal. But a max isn't terrible or franchise crippling.
ETA: I'd rather give Monroe a max than Gortat the $10M he wants. Or Ariza the $8M he's looking for.
This post was edited on 6/16/14 at 10:17 am
Posted on 6/16/14 at 10:23 am to corndeaux
quote:The problem would be that his max contact would overlap with ADs max contract when he is up. Can we afford 2 max contracts when our guards will be up for new contracts as well? Is Monroe that much of a difference maker on this team that he is worth $15-$16 million a year?
He's not. But you can spend your money in much worse ways than a max for a 24 year old 15 and 9 C/PF. Like I said, Favors money ($12M/year) is ideal. But a max isn't terrible or franchise crippling. ETA: I'd rather give Monroe a max than Gortat the $10M he wants. Or Ariza the $8M he's looking for
Posted on 6/16/14 at 11:08 am to NOSHAU
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Can we afford 2 max contracts when our guards will be up for new contracts as well?
Yes. The cap and luxury tax line will continue to rise. Max deals end up being a % of the cap, but the team will hold Bird Rights to any guards so they can go over the cap to keep them, if they want and if both are still on the team.
I'm not advocating Monroe or bust. They can sit tight with their unconventional core and be a playoff team next season. If they want a more traditional team, and some reports indicate they do, Monroe is a way to get there.
Ideally, Monroe would take a 4/$48-$52M deal. Maybe that happens, but if not, a max is an overpay, but it isn't a terrible one. If you believe in two strong bigs, a Monroe/Davis pair on 2 max level deals through their mid to late 20s is not a bad way to go.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 11:32 am to corndeaux
quote:I like Monroe, but just cannot see paying him the max. We will see soon if the Pelicans are really even interested in him.
Yes. The cap and luxury tax line will continue to rise. Max deals end up being a % of the cap, but the team will hold Bird Rights to any guards so they can go over the cap to keep them, if they want and if both are still on the team. I'm not advocating Monroe or bust. They can sit tight with their unconventional core and be a playoff team next season. If they want a more traditional team, and some reports indicate they do, Monroe is a way to get there. Ideally, Monroe would take a 4/$48-$52M deal. Maybe that happens, but if not, a max is an overpay, but it isn't a terrible one. If you believe in two strong bigs, a Monroe/Davis pair on 2 max level deals through their mid to late 20s is not a bad way to go.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:21 pm to KG5989
We need a bench too
See: Spurs beating tGOAT by 15.5 avg.
Anyone like my new avi?
See: Spurs beating tGOAT by 15.5 avg.
Anyone like my new avi?
This post was edited on 6/16/14 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 6/16/14 at 11:19 pm to BuddyLAM
Hey buddy thoughts on Mitch mcgary I'll hang up and listen
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:09 am to GynoSandberg
Eh he can't play the 5 and might have some personal /injury issues
I would pass
I would pass
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:44 am to TigerinATL
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If we could do Gordon + 2015 1st for a 2014 1st without taking back a bad contract, that's a good move in my book.
If they can get it, they should jump all over that deal.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 8:10 am to Rickety Cricket
Some Tidbits -
Per Chris Mannix - SI
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Chicago has been aggressively shopping its two first-round picks, according to league sources, with an eye on either moving up for a shot at a better player or flipping them for a veteran scorer.
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Picks 25-30 can be had for the right price. New York, Brooklyn and New Orleans are calling around looking to get into the first round. Don’t be surprised if one or more of those teams wind up trading for one of those picks.”
Per Chris Mannix - SI
Posted on 6/19/14 at 8:17 am to LosLobos111
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Chicago has been aggressively shopping its two first-round picks, according to league sources, with an eye on either moving up for a shot at a better player or flipping them for a veteran scorer.
Chicago has interest in Melo and Love and they have no desire to amnesty Boozer. Maybe if they strike out on trading the picks for a scorer and miss out on Melo and Love, Gordon for Boozer would become palatable. That's a lot of ifs though.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 8:18 am to LosLobos111
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flipping them for a veteran scorer.
I happen to know one...
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