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re: Pels openly discussing trading Jrue
Posted on 11/4/20 at 10:59 am to NOSHAU
Posted on 11/4/20 at 10:59 am to NOSHAU
One thing that may affect everything: Giannis.
I saw a report yesterday that he wants to be with the Heat. If the Heat really think they have a chance next offseason, would they give up cap space and assets for Jrue now?
I saw a report yesterday that he wants to be with the Heat. If the Heat really think they have a chance next offseason, would they give up cap space and assets for Jrue now?
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Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:03 am to Fun Bunch
If Jrue opts in or signs an extension the Heat would be able to trade him to make room for Giannis if Giannis agreed to come. You don't want to add a negative asset, but I don't see how adding Jrue would cause them a problem. It's not like we're using Jrue to dump a bad contract.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:13 am to lsuguy13
This makes me sad. Its going to hurt to see my favorite Pelinet leave. Man.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:16 am to Fun Bunch
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Yeah their offer will likely be Robinson/Olynyk/21 and maybe a future 1st. I don't think they offer Herro.
No thanks then.
If you can't include Herro, then i'm not interested. Feels like we have a lot of leverage with this trade, so i'm not settling for a return like that when i'm sure there are better ones out there.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:20 am to TeddyPadillac
While I think we are going to get a really good deal for Jrue and have a lot of leverage, I think that early tweet coming out about Herro will do this board a disservice. It seems unlikely that he would be included and now everyone is going to use getting Herro as a base.
We'll get a good deal we just need to be a little realistic. He's a 30 year old player with 1 year left on his deal.
We'll get a good deal we just need to be a little realistic. He's a 30 year old player with 1 year left on his deal.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:27 am to Fun Bunch
I think the best way to get Herro on the table is to leak that we are close to dealing him to Brooklyn. Heat have to see them as probably their biggest threat in the east, so then it’s not a question of Jrue vs. Herro, but Herro vs. a stacked Brooklyn.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:29 am to TotesMcGotes
That's a leak that might create itself. We kept coming back to Brooklyn as the most logical partner here. I still can't imagine the Heat adding Herro. If they have their eyes on Giannis then why go all in on this season?
This post was edited on 11/4/20 at 11:31 am
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:31 am to Fun Bunch
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We'll get a good deal we just need to be a little realistic. He's a 30 year old player with 1 year left on his deal.
I agree.
The Bulter trade from Minny was weird, but it only cost Philly Covington and Saric.
Paul George cost Oladipo and Sabonis.
CP3 cost Beverly, Lou Williams, Montrez, Dekker and a first
There really isn't much precedence for us to get a huge return for him, but this offseason feels different, and Jrue isn't forcing his way out or anything crazy like the other scenarios.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:32 am to lsuguy13
quote:"yet"
Will Guillory
Sources tell me the Pelicans are indeed listening to trade offers for Holiday.
However, this is not a result of Holiday asking for a trade. That has not happened yet.
Sounds to me like he declined the extension and that was the writing on the wall for Griff.
If Will is getting this info, its almost definitely coming directly from the Pelicans. Jrue gone.
This post was edited on 11/4/20 at 11:36 am
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:33 am to TigerinATL
quote:If we do a deal with Brooklyn, I hope a 3rd team is involved to bring us better assets than a trade based around LeVert and a late 1st.
That's a leak that might create itself. We kept coming back to Brooklyn as the most logical partner here. I still can't imagine the Heat adding Herro. If they have their eyes on Giannis then why go all in on this season?
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:34 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Most of us probably expect more than we are likely to get in a deal. If he is dealt, we probably will be claiming "that's all we got?"
I agree.
The Bulter trade from Minny was weird, but it only cost Philly Covington and Saric.
Paul George cost Oladipo and Sabonis.
CP3 cost Beverly, Lou Williams, Montrez, Dekker and a first
There really isn't much precedence for us to get a huge return for him, but this offseason feels different, and Jrue isn't forcing his way out or anything crazy like the other scenarios.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:34 am to TigerinATL
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If they have their eyes on Giannis then why go all in on this season?
That’s why the Pels should wait out Giannis, potentially. He signs the super max and Jrue’s asking price goes up.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:36 am to NOSHAU
The difference here is that, as far as we know, the Pels don’t have to trade Jrue. They can ask for a king’s ransom and just be happy holding on to him if they don’t get it.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:37 am to TotesMcGotes
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I think the best way to get Herro on the table is to leak that we are close to dealing him to Brooklyn
The Heat already know what their best offer is and I highly doubt in includes Herro no matter what Brooklyn is offering. Boston wasn't going to include Tatum in a trade for AD and I can't see Miami including Herro. And nothing else they can put together is worth it imo. Unless Griff is really high on Nunn. Then Nunn/Robinson/21st is in play.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:40 am to iwyLSUiwy
That may be true.
So Griff/Langdon tell Miami “it’s Herro or you’re watching Kylie, Jrue, and KD next year.” And if they decline, oh well. You can still explore deals with 28 other teams or you can just keep him.
So Griff/Langdon tell Miami “it’s Herro or you’re watching Kylie, Jrue, and KD next year.” And if they decline, oh well. You can still explore deals with 28 other teams or you can just keep him.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:43 am to Fun Bunch
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I'm not going to lie, as much as we discussed it, as obvious as it seems, I am truly surprised by this.
I just did not think that Griffin would trade a solid vet, huge lockerroom guy, "culture" guy, especially after hiring SVG.
I am going to assume they had an extension talk with Jrue and he would not commit to coming back after opting out.
I was never one that thought he was this unmovable guy in Griffins eye, but I do think it very likely that this is only becoming openly public because there is a mutual understanding of what Jrue has indicated he is going to do. Or might in fact want given we seem to be indicating talk with contenders. Which could mean a mutual understanding and agreement.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:47 am to TotesMcGotes
One thing to keep in mind if we trade Jrue, we will be in desperate need to find a true SF defender. We use Jrue to hide that deficiency we have had for years.
Hart is a good defender, but he's not capable of guarding the bigger forwards like Jrue is, and neither is BI. Wiggins isn't someone i'd rely on either for that.
Hart is a good defender, but he's not capable of guarding the bigger forwards like Jrue is, and neither is BI. Wiggins isn't someone i'd rely on either for that.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:51 am to NOSHAU
One other goal to possibly get out of this trade is to aggregate it with some other moves that lets us add players while keeping our MLE intact. For instance send Jrue to Brooklyn for Levert, Jarrett Allen, and picks while sending 2nds to Phoenix to do S&T of Baynes and Saric. In Saric you've added an offensive wing that played good enough team defense in Philly, and a stretch big that has a history with SVG.
Flip Lavert and Allen for something better, plus you still have your MLE to fill other holes on the roster.
Flip Lavert and Allen for something better, plus you still have your MLE to fill other holes on the roster.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:52 am to TeddyPadillac
I’d be more concerned with someone to guard Luka. The next wave also seems to be more guard-oriented.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:53 am to TigerinATL
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One other goal to possibly get out of this trade is to aggregate it with some other moves that lets us add players while keeping our MLE intact. For instance send Jrue to Brooklyn for Levert, Jarrett Allen, and picks while sending 2nds to Phoenix to do S&T of Baynes and Saric. In Saric you've added an offensive wing that played good enough team defense in Philly, and a stretch big that has a history with SVG.
Flip Lavert and Allen for something better, plus you still have your MLE to fill other holes on the roster.
This would be a really good scenario.
I'd love to have Saric and Baynes.
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