re: Pels get the #1 pick, who would you want to draft?

I'm not arguing he will make more money if he leaves. I get that. But he would get a lot to stay. He can sign a shoe deal, apparel and everything else. He would be the star of the sport and its more than half the work/commitment. It is a sweet deal and has long lasting ramifications.

I just think it's a mistake. He's not ready. He would be so much better off staying and I don't think he loses that much. I believe it would set him up better for the future. Just my opinion though..

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I wouldn't worry about his post defense, it's the perimeter defense. Can he play decent enough defense against Steph, Morant, Luka, Lillard, etc.

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This is the entire point though. You should be worried about the post. A lot of his blocks and contests came as a help defender, but he was very vulnerable in the post. Guys were able to get into his body, get him off balance, and negate the things he was good at. He was also prone to giving up OReb's because he was out muscled. Finishing possessions was an issue. As a help defender he's great, but when he's physically matched up with someone he often did not come out ahead. Again, this was in the WCC. NBA teams are going to attack him a ton from there. There was not much to suggest he will be able to come out and consistently defend NBA guards on the perimeter. There were some encouraging signs, but there were also some very unencouraging things as well. So couple the questionable interior post defense, and the questionable ability to defend on the wing, what are we talking about here?

People like to bring up Mobley, but he's not Mobley. He's going to be a major work in progress in the NBA defensively.

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People like to bring up Mobley, but he's not Mobley. He's going to be a major work in progress in the NBA defensively.

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you are correct. Mobley is 20lbs heavier. Hell even Durant was 20+lbs heavier coming out of college, but KD also has put on an additional 20lbs since coming in the league. Alot of "skinny" guys were still around 215lbs, like KG and AD, as well as the two just mentioned. KG, AD and KD all put on another 20lbs eventually.

Chet at 195lbs and 7' is really really skinny, and i'd say very weak. He's the same exact size as that Poku kid that was drafted by OKC, and he looks like he walked out a POW camp he's so skinny and fragile.

I think the risk with Chet is that he never adds enough weight to be stronger. If he stays under 200lbs, he's going to have a tough time in the NBA. He needs to get to about 215lbs, which i think is doable, but even at 215lbs, he still couldn't come close to guarding Embiid or Jokic, or even JV.
It just seems very unlikely he could play the 5 at any point if there is a legit 5 he'd have to guard.



Just did a search, currently the only player in the NBA that is over 6'10" and under 200lbs is Poku.
searching at over 6'10" and under 225lb you get a few more players.
Nerlens Noel is at 220 now, came in the league at 205.
Kai Jones, Jaxson, Jalen Smith, Nic Claxton are all around 215-220 as well, as well as MPJ although he's playing SF/PF, not PF/C. Also, that's the weight they came into the league at for the most part, and none of those guys can play the 5 defensively against the Jokic/Embiid's of the world.





and by the way, i think i just talked myself out of wanting Chet altogheter.

Chet will put on weight in the NBA. It may take 2-3 seasons like AD, but it will happen. I'm sure he's already put on some since the college season ended.

I don't think you can pass on Chet at #1. His fit is just too good for the Pels from an offensive standpoint (will contribute in plenty of ways other than scoring) and is already a very good perimeter defender as well as shot blocker. Once he puts on weight he'll have potential to be one of the best frontcourt defenders in the league.

A long-term core of BI, ZW and CH would have the Pels contending for a decade.

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would trade back to four, and pick Ivey

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The more I think about this, the more I like it. We would get back a massive haul to move back, especially from someone like OKC, who has to get a top 2 pick. Ivey fills our biggest need IMO. We have no guard depth behind McCollum, at least none that could play major minutes when/if McCollum is out. Plus gives us the ability to go smaller/faster.

Say we are 1, Detroit 2, Orlando 3 and OKC 4. OKC offers us 4, #12 pick, 2 future 1sts for the #1 pick. Would that be enough?

We shouldn't be trying to move back. We currently have a deep, young and talented roster with plenty of picks in future drafts.

We need to do what we can to add quality, not quantity

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for real get him on that zion diet

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For the Pels, there's only ONE guy who COULD be a true "difference maker" in this draft & send us over the top. And from what I've seen of him, he's about 7'3" tall and weighs 168 lbs and has a 14' wingspan !!

I didn't come here hopin' to see the Pels finish 4th in the West & maybe make it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. The "cheese" is out there...if we have the guts to go after it. So, we can either get very lucky with a ping pong ball...OR...trade our 8 pick (or whatever it ends up being) and/or whatever else it takes...and I mean WHATEVER else it takes...if you get my drift...and get Chet down to NO !!

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Holmgren can make close to 8 figures a year right now playing college ball. It's less than 40 games a year and he would be the face of the sport, a megastar. It is the dream of tons of players.

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, man what an L of a take. The logic is backward and unrealistic. One injury changes that, this is so high risk for a young player who is an NBA prospect and makes zero sense. As you stated it's a dream and hence why it isn't realistic in any way.

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College is a better life and a better atmosphere to be successful for him. It's not the most money. But that 2nd contract, that everyone says he should chase, is not guaranteed. He can easily make 20M over the next 3 years at Gonzaga (win a ring and a bunch of awards). Then he is still a lock 1st rounder. That's what I would do if I were him. Build a legacy.

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An NBA title is a world championship and where legacies are cemented. Not in the NCAA. This is the equivalent of telling a rising star that they should stay in the minors and build their legacy there instead of the pros.

One injury ends your entire fallacy and it's why the league is lowering the age for NBA players. Young healthy players are depreciating assets. I don't know what vacuum chamber of reality you're placing this fallacy in, but it's definitely not a realistic one.

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I just think it's a mistake and he would be better off staying. I want both the legacy of being a legendary college player, then a great pro player.

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What you want for them is irrelevant. Everything you listed is the worst idea for the player's future and destructive to building anything resembling a legacy. This is why you are called a bad fan. You value your personal opinion over what is actually best for the individual in this situation.

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I don't get why anybody would pick to play in the NBA over college ball. Especially when you aren't physically ready to be a contributor. Guys shouldn't be thinking about career earnings or injuries at 19 and 20 years old. It's sad they are forced to grow up so quick..

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I took your emotional appeal out of the quote because it's also irrelevant. The players choose to go there because it's the world stage for the sport they play in.


You say you have all this care and concern for the future of these players you have takes on, but your mentality is closer to that of Kathy Bates from Misery than it is a fan of the sport.

How is the player going to take their game to the next level to get to the pros while staying in fricking college?

It's better for the player to let the pro team take the risk on their ceiling than to stay longer in college and risk injuries. Only the athlete is holding the bag on their future with your suggestions. The logic you applied to this is moronic and lacks any reason except what your own personal desires are.

Money and injuries are the only things that matter when your athletic talent is the asset. Sorry reality happens and some of us have to make adult decisions quicker than others. The point of diminishing returns is a thing and it is on the earlier end of life for an athlete. For a self-proclaimed value assessor ad stat man, i don't see how your emotions got in the way of this. Less soy helps.

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I'm not going to rehash it. It's my personal opinion.

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We're happy to hear. Keep the laughs coming. Just don't expect other posters to not ridicule the majority of your opinions because they are without reason. Pels Talk might just have their own OweO after all. Given that you didn't get the sonic reference the other day, i assume that this joke will be lost on you.